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Coming to the Lord
I never said that if someone came to the Lord through Cat Stevens that because
he fell away from God that everyone who came to the Lord through him is lost
now too. All I said was THROW AWAY YOUR CAT STEVENS MUSIC You hypocrite
The very fact that he has fallen away makes his music even more repulsive
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist
is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the
last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if
they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going
showed that none of them belonged to us. (I John 2:1819)
Cat Stevens is at best an antichrist He "did not really belong to us" Is
this the kind of man you get encouragement from? God doesn't care what he was,
He looks at what he is now. Only a warped heart would flock to his music.
I'll be glad to join you in praying for him, Seth, but listen to his music
while I do, forget it If Keith Green were still alive and went back to the
world, I'd throw away his music and never hand out another of his tracts again
Get separate from the world, Seth Quit justifying your desires for your kind
of music and get a desire for some Holy music that comes from someone who is
faithful ...
My eyes will be on the faithful in the land, that they may dwell with me; he
whose walk is blameless will minister to me. (Psalms 101:6)
I even french braid it for Church.
I often wonder what Samson and the others under the Nazerite vow did
when their hair got in the way. Even Paul took the Nazerite vow and let his
hair grow out. lt;grin
"The Lrd spoke to Moshe saying, Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them
that they shall make for themselves tzitzit on the corners of their garments
throughout all their generations, and they shall put in the tzitzit on each
corner a cord of blue. And it shall be a tzitzit for you to look at and
remember all the commandments of the Lrd so as to do them and not follow after
your own heart and your own eyes, after which you stray, in order that you may
remember to do all My commandments, and be holy to your Gd." Numbers 15:3740
But I think you understand my point that if Jesus would have
considered it sinful to wear the kind of clothing that
Stryper wears then we should also "walk as Jesus did", thus
considering it sinful ourselves.
Yes, He would not have worn certain forms of clothing He would have
avoided wearing a linen amp; cotton shirt whether it had tzitzit or not. Since He
fully fullfilled all of Torah He would not have worn many forms of clothing.
But, no, to walk as Jesus did would not mean a legalistic
wearing of the same kind of clothing, walking in the same
physical manner (feet turned out, feet turned in, etc.)
Naturally wearing tzitzit would not be done from a legalistic
standpoint. The legalistic keeping of Torah is a curse. It would be like the
difference between a woman who veiled her head out of faith and a woman who
only wore a veil because someone threatened to shave her head. The woman who
was threatened would be doing it because of legalism. It is the same for
tzitzit. "The just shall live by faith." If the tzitzit are worn out of
something other than faith, then there is no benifit, but a curse instead.
You were just kidding, weren't you?
About me actually wearing tzitzit? No, quite a percentage of the males
in Messianic Judaism wear them. lt;grin
Shalom B'Yeshua
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Msg: 1965 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:05:36
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: Re: DION
I believe that if any artist should switch....so what?? Unless they are
distinctly disobeying God who are we to judge? This is the type of thing that
They are "distinctly disobeying God's Word". The scriptures fully declare that
those who love Jesus are not like the world and do not have ANY DESIRE to copy
the world. My goodness. I have given you one very, very simply command and they
will not even obey it. They will not cut their hair. Let alone to talk about
all the other things in the Lord. Why should they be considered Christians if
they can't even obey the basics?
Tim
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Msg: 1966 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:10:33
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DAVE LEIBOLD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1962 (Re: STRYPER)
Reminds me of Philippians 1:1518 ...
I Corinthians 4:185:1 Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not
coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and
then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what
power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a whip, or in love and with a
gentle spirit?
While Paul rejoiced that the gospel was being preached, if he were freed from
his "chains" what would 1 Corinthains 4:18 tell us Paul would do?
And what does Titus tell us to do?
Titus 1:1014 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers,
especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they
are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teachand
that for the sake of dishonest gain. Even one of their own prophets has said,
"Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." This testimony is true.
Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and
will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject
the truth.
Not too "loving" ...huh?
Much grace and mercy to you,
Tim
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Msg: 1967 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:21:52
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1965 (Re: DION)
What if Dion has not backslided? What if he is doing what Amy Grant does?
What if he is trying to appeal to a nonChristian audience just to get their
attention so that when he has it, when he has grabbed them with his music, he
can then talk the Gospel to them?
But his fruits have already demonstrated that he has backsliden. When he was
full of the Spirit he had no desire to return to the "vomit" he once song. We
can never preach the gospel to people are indulging in their impurity. Think
about what kind of old music he is "grabbing" them with. Remember, Jesus was
always Jesus. He never "hinted" at the Truth. If we could but realize that
those songs are devoted to demons then we could see that Jesus would not sing
one to get their attention. Besides, what would he tell them? How could he tell
them to "come out and be separate" while he got their attention with the very
thing he must tell them to leave.
This really shows to problems. [1] That somehow by being a little worldly we
attract the world. [2] The difference between ENTERTAINMENT PREACHING and
NARROW ROAD PREACHING.
What these artist are appealing to to get their people in is the sinful nature.
After all, if you don't appeal to their sinful motives they are not going to
show up. And God's Word says that to such preachers "blackest darkness" is
reserved.
II Peter 2:1722 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a
storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful
words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they
entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise
them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravityfor a man is a
slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the
world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it
and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It
would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that
was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its
vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
Notice well that in Peter here it also mentions they return to their old ways,
(ie old songs?). While Jesus ate and drank with drunkards he never got drunk.
In the same way while I would play a song on MTV I would not dress, act or sing
like them. Look at the fruit of what their wide road, flesh pleasing gospels
are doing. If you point out how they dress you are accussed of being a
homosexual full of lust Wickedness is now called holy and holiness is now
called wicked. The lives must match the words
Much grace,
Tim
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Msg: 1968 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:24:26
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1956 (CAT STEVENS NOW AND THEN)
I am not told to list scripture for each statement I make. We as a
body a told to check what we belive to be in line with scripture. Many times
people find one verse that shows what they want to see, but they stop there,
don't fall victem to that type of thinking. JESUS LIVES.
I Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very
words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides,
so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the
glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
Much grace, Tim
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Msg: 1969 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:27:21
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: THE LENGTH OF A MANS HAIR
I even french braid it for Church.
Since you will not cut your hair as scripture says men should do, then you may
want to live another passage.
I Peter 3:3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as
braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.
Much grace,
Tim
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Msg: 1970 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:29:40
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1966 (Re: STRYPER)
It is in refrence to there Hair. This man belives if you don't cut your hair
you are hell bound. The problem is he won't say how long is long. ..Do you
think he is a barber?
It is the disobedience that will send one to hell. Nope, I am not a barber.
And I did tell you how long your hair should be.
I Timothy 1:37 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in
Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any
longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote
controversies rather than God's workwhich is by faith. The goal of this
command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a
sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless
talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are
talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
Much grace,
Tim
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Msg: 1971 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:32:50
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1970 (Re: STRYPER)
This is the result of a tangent. The msg flames started from a
comment on a rock group with long hair.
Staying and Praying
Seth
The messages are not considered "flames" on our part. Rather, scripture calls
us to sharpen and perfect each other. It is just those who don't want to change
that they become flames. Be assured we speak in gentleness and with mercy
always before us
Psalms 141:5 Let a righteous man strike meit is a kindness; let him rebuke
meit is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it. Yet my prayer is ever
against the deeds of evildoers;
Colossians 1:2829 We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all
wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. To this end I labor,
struggling with all his energy, which so powerfully works in me.
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
Mark 9:50 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it
salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other."
Much peace,
Tim
Proverbs 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies
kisses.
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Msg: 1972 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:39:13
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1971 (Re: STRYPER)
Diane,
Are you for real? MTV said DeGarmo and Key were too violent and graphic. That
took some real guts.
Of course what song about being Jesus did they play. And too, it must be noted
MTV could not have even labeled the charge against Keith Green or Michael Card
about being voilent and graphic.
Romans 3:78 Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's
truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
Why not sayas we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim
that we say"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is
deserved.
It seems the music industry beleives this. Let sin increase that the gospel
might go out
Much grace,
Tim
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Msg: 1973 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 00:47:56
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1967 (Re: DION)
Does your message also apply to people like Amy Grant, who has taken her
success to the 'other side' of music?
Let me share some wisdom with you about Amy Grant.
[1] Notice that the High Priest prophesied that Jesus would die. Yet, he was
the one who would work it out.
John 11:5053 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for
the people than that the whole nation perish." He did not say this on his own,
but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish
nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of
God, to bring them together and make them one. So from that day on they plotted
to take his life.
So we see that very often there is a prophecy mixed in these people's lives.
Such is the comment online here about preaching from false motives. Such is a
prophetic comment about their lives.
[2] Now consider Amy Grant's trade mark garment. A leopard skin designed
jacket.
Jeremiah 13:2327 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?
Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. "I will scatter you
like chaff driven by the desert wind. This is your lot, the portion I have
decreed for you," declares the LORD, "because you have forgotten me and trusted
in false gods. I will pull up your skirts over your face that your shame may be
seen your adulteries and lustful neighings, your shameless prostitution I
have seen your detestable acts on the hills and in the fields. Woe to you, O
Jerusalem How long will you be unclean?"
In comparission her music is not as bad. She simply has a heart for the world.
Her live, interviews and actions show forth this fruit. (Yes, we have tried to
talk to Amy Grant and her Pastor about this.)
She is really worse than STRYPER because she looks so good on the outside.
Matthew 23:2728 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside
but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the
same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside
you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
To the naive she looks "beautiful".
Much grace, (really)
Tim
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Msg: 1978 ROCK ON LINE
07/13/89 23:05:00
From: ALPINE
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: CFC ECHOS
Someone mentioned moving one of the discussions to a different echo and he said
that he had all the message areas in the CFC. What is this and c[?1;0can we
add anymore to our board. The ROL has become very popular here.
Alpine
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Msg: 1984 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 11:42:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1978 (Re: CFC ECHOS)
More information coming via NetMail.
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Msg: 2014 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 11:48:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: ALPINE
Subj: Re: THE POWER TEAM
thanks....
cat got my tounge...
K.C.
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Msg: 2023 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 01:00:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: ALL
Subj: NEW MUSIC
I would like to encourage all of the rock fans to check out 2 new groups. 1.
QSTONE and 2.MASTEDON.
These guys have to be some Hot new music... But don't take my word for it go
and get them for yourself. You will be BLESSED/\
\/
Kevin
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Msg: 2024 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 20:15:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: PETRA
I believe the lead singer for Petra is now John Schlitt. He used to be a
secular rock singer for Kansas or someone. Their new album On Fire is awesome.
It is 60 minutes of pure rock and roll
Jon
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Msg: 2025 ROCK ON LINE
07/14/89 20:19:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1973 (Re: DION)
Well said. If the artist can reach a larger market and minister for God, who
are we to judge are brothers and sisters of backsliding
Jon
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Msg: 2029 ROCK ON LINE
07/12/89 11:20:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2025 (Re: DION)
All I can add to this Kevin, is that Dion has a new lp out called "YO FRANKIE"
which has a message out there...at least the new title cut does...it isn't a
message about God but it is a message that is pertinent in today's world.
I might just check this out from the secular radio station point of view and
see what they have to say.
This conversation, or what it is bringing out, is more and more the question of
well...many questions and topics, I think.
i.e. Michael W. Smith might be singing about the same themes as Dion but to a
Christian audience, whereas Dion isn't. So as a 'singer', how should we 'judge'
(not a judgment really, perhaps more of an opinion...) what opinion should we
have of him? We could say that Dion will reach more people with his pertinent
message about suicide or drugs than Mike Smith will because Mike Smith is
singing to a smaller audience.
I am not trying to come to any conclusions with the ideas that I am bringing
forth...what I am hoping is that it will make us think of other ideas and
opinions.
Take another example Phil Driscoll, he is known mainly in Christian music
circles, a few years back, he signed with an association to do a 'theme' song
about Saying No to Drugs and Yes to Jesus....
I was very surprised to learn that he recorded this 'theme' song twice. Once
for secular radio stations to get to the broader number of people...he sang in
that version, to say no to drugs and yes to (I think it was life) I KNOW that
Jesus was NOT mentioned in that song. The other version for the Christian radio
stations included the line "say no to drugs and yes to Jesus".
And my first reaction to that whole thing was "Are you ashamed of the Gospel of
the Lord Phil?" and my second was that I know that he isn't because I have
heard him being interviewed, etc. BUT although I (personally) would have liked
the idea that the words of the song not be changed, unfortunately, just knowing
how things are set up...I 'see' (I don't care for it, but I 'see') why his
record company felt the need to do it.
Now, I don't mean to confuse this issue with the Dion one...just thought I'd
throw that in.
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Msg: 2030 ROCK ON LINE
07/12/89 12:21:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: THE DION CONTROVERSY
I have contacted Arista Records regarding the YO FRANKIE lp and I should be
getting a reviewer's copy of it in a few days.
Although I encourage all of you to speak here and to let your differences of
opinions be known to others for the purpose of educating them and allowing us
to hear your views on the subject, I think that once and for all we should
try to clear up the Dion situation...so I will be contacting Dion's manager by
phone in an attempt to get some news from Dion on where he stands now...and if
he will continue to record Christian music.
Hopefully, this information (along with my review of a secular lp which is
NOT the norm format for the magazine but just as with the Sam Philips lp
review...I believe that it is pertinent to be in an issue) will clear up anymisconceptions about Dion and hopefully the truth will be known.
Again, thank you to the reader who started all this by asking/making the
comment about Dion how else can we all learn and be informed.
Just pray that I am able to get some statement from Dion or his manager.
Diane
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Msg: 2031 ROCK ON LINE
07/13/89 18:25:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: INTERVIEWS
Diane,
Finally got together with my exSunday School student to decipher the last
two interviews at Cornerstone. Sent the letter out this morning, so you should
receive it before the "deadline."
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Msg: 2049 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 20:53:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2023 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
Kevin (and All),
We have all noticed the recent and disruptive presence of the "pastor" or the
Sound Doctrine "church" (from Denver, CO), his wife and son, and his bulldog
"copastor." I will soon be uploading a series of messages on the socalled
"Sound" Doctrine and its proponents and this should shed some light on their
motivation and how they operate, as well as why many in the Denver area
consider them a paraChristian cult. Call me at PH and we'll go over this.
Take care.
Dave
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Msg: 2050 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 14:29:00
From: MORKELEB
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOG
But again, do you have to lower yourself to the worlds' standards? Did Christ?
He sure didn't.
Mork
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Msg: 2051 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 14:38:00
From: MORKELEB
To: PAT MULCAHY
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOGETHER
Do my opinions really matter? Yes, I beleive they do. Someone asked for it so
I gave it. Never the less, you still aren't listening to me, did Christ lower
himself to the worlds' standards, no, he didn't. So why should we, we are
Christians, and what is the definition of Christian? Christlike, now can you
really all Stryper at all Christlike? I don't think so.
Mork
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Msg: 2052 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 14:44:00
From: MORKELEB
To: SAM JONES
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1962 (Re: STRYPER)
Aren't you kind of getting a little offensive about all of this, I don't
beleive that he is gay as you are trying to portray, give it a rest, we are
only discussing a matter here, not trying to create enemies...please, keep to
the subject at hand without trying to cut someone else down.
Mork
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Msg: 2053 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 15:03:00
From: MORKELEB
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2051 (Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOGETHER)
Actually it was my opinion, this is the way I feel, and I also beleive this is
the way that God feels about Stryper, especially if it ran into scripture. I
am very spiritual (or at least I try to be) but I am not very sciptural, a
problem that can be remedied.
Mork
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Msg: 2054 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 21:51:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2049 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
Dave,
That sounds(no pun intended) very good. I have listened to Tim only twice and
found that both times he spoke only hypocrises and truth as seen only by Tim.
If he would only use his zeal for the Lord they could have a strong ministry. I
do not believe in half truth for it can only be truth or error. I see them
fulfiling 2 Tim 4:4, 3:19.
We must stand in prayer for them and for the ones that are led astray.
GOD BLESS
Kevin
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Msg: 2059 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 23:13:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTI
Today, women have short hair and in the same passage Paul
says that they should shave their heads if they have short
hair. I hope you, Carla, have long hair, or else a barber
will have alot of fun with some shears.
If they have to shave their heads when they have short hair, how would
they go about getting long hair? lt;grin I think the passage was refering to
whether the women wear a veil down over their heads or not.
I wonder if a wig covering their bald head would suffice as a veil?
lt;grin Some of the ancient rabbis indicated that it did.
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Msg: 2068 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 22:38:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2050 (Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOG)
Sorry, big guy, but I haven't lowered my standards to the world. In fact, I've
raised them and except alot out of music now.
Jon
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Msg: 2069 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 22:40:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2059 (Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTI)
I was kinda wondering about how the women would ever get long hair, too. But, I
believe it was talking about hair being used as a veil.
Am I correct on that?
Jon
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Msg: 2070 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 22:48:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: SHELBY WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2024 (Re: PETRA)
Those kids know who Petra is because the Spirit of the Lord has moved up his
actions in the final days, as has Satan. I find it nice that I can talk about
the groups that I listen to with kids at a public high school.
K
Jon
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Msg: 2071 ROCK ON LINE
07/15/89 23:53:52
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2049 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
Dave, I must have misplaced your number you can call me or leave it for me on
one the bbs. Also please give me the times that the bbs will be up THANKS
KEVIN God Bless
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Msg: 2073 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 06:32:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2069 (Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTI)
I was kinda wondering about how the women would ever get
long hair, too. But, I believe it was talking about hair
being used as a veil. Am I correct on that?
No, because it says that "if a woman does not veil her head, let her
also have her hair cut off". And we know from the rabbinic writtings of the
time that the Jewish women did practice veiling very much like the women in
Islam do today. The practice has changed through the centuries. It used to
include a facial veil, now it only the hair covering is practiced. Some of
this carried down through the Catholic Church as well. You used to see
Catholic women who would wear a fishnet veil over their faces, although the
nuns typically only covered their hair. Today the Catholics don't practice
this as much, and the Protestants practice it even less. (In general of
course. There are some sects which still practice it.)
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Msg: 2080 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 02:01:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: THE SOUND DOCTRINE
The Sound Doctrine "Church" is a small group, consisting of perhaps 30 or so
members. The "church" meets in the basement of the Aurora home of Tim
Williams, the "Pastor." The "Church" also runs a bulletin board in the Denver
Metro area. The number is 3037806209 and the Sound Doctrine BBS is
"PCPursuitable."
"Pastor" Williams has no ecclesiatical credentials, nor does he claim any. The
BBS has an article entitled "Who Are We?" which says, "He [Williams] is in his
thirties and has NOTHING TO QUALIFY HIM AS A PASTOR, [sic] {Acts 4:13}
[emphasis added]." The article further states, "Mr. Anonymous ["coPastor" and
CoSYSOP of the BBS] is a servant and a real help to the Sound Doctrine Church.
HE TOO IS NOT QUALIFIED FOR SUCH A TASK {2 Corinthians 4:1} [emphasis added.]."
On the surface, the Sound Doctrine appears to be simply a very conservative
group of fundamentalists. They believe in most if not all of the doctrines of
orthodox Christian fundamentalism. The believe in all of those things that
most of us would find perfectly acceptable: The divinity of Christ, the Virgin
Birth, the Doctrine of the Trinity and so on. Where they must be taken to
task, however, is not in their adherence to Christian orthodoxy, but in their
addition of several Christian "qualifications," their claim to perfection, and
their utter disdain and intolerance for any opinions or beliefseven within
Christianity or among other Christiansthat differ even slightly from their
own. In this series of messages, it is my intent to present examples of this
behavior as thoroughly as possible.
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Msg: 2081 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 02:02:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: THE SOUND DOCTRINE, MSG 2
Readers of this echo have probably noticed that the Sound Doctrine claims for
itself near divine discernment. "CoPastor" Sinak is quite fond of quoting "A
fool delights in airing his own opinions..." from the Proverbs. It should be
clear to anyone whom has read the messages from the "Sound Doctrinites" that
they consider their messages as good as if they came from the Bible itself,
while the messages of those whom disagee with them are just opinions. The
Doctrinites make this claim because they believe that they are the only ones
whom truly surrender completely to Christ and whom are truly "carrying their
crosses" in the way that Christ commanded. The Doctrinites engage in
"prooftexting," that is, they determine a doctrine or form an opinion on a
given subject, and then search for Scriptures that they believe can be used to
give their opinions Biblical weight. Readers of this and other echos have
already seen a few episodes of this; but for the uninitiated, let's consider
some examples.
"Pastor" Williams has no credentials to be a Pastor. He justifies this by
using Acts 4:13, which says, "When they saw the courage of Peter and John AND
REALIZED THAT THEY WERE UNSCHOOLED ORDINARY MEN [emphasis added], they were
astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus (NIV)."
The reason that Williams chose this passage rather than the far more obvious
pastoral qualifications that Paul delivered [1 Tim. 3:17] is because of the
passage "they were unschooled and ordinary men." Since Williams has no formal
Biblical education, he needed a passage that would allow him to fill the role
of "Pastor," and this is apparently the best one that he could find. When a
person points out that the rest of the verse establishes that "they took note
THAT THESE MEN HAD BEEN WITH JESUS [emphasis added]," and that the original
Greek word used in this passageas well as established Biblical
historyindicates that this passage was referring to the fact that Peter and
John were in the PHYSICAL presence of Jesus, Williams accuses the sender of
"being prideful" in appealing to a knowledge of history or the Greek to
disprove a Godgiven "truth."
Williams has established a grooming standard for Christians that is quite
conservative. Failure to adhere to this arbitrary standard means that the
Christian is not "truly carrying his/her cross" or has not "fully submitted to
the will of God." Williams uses 1 Cor. 11:14, 15 to support his premise. When
asked where he begins the measurement or where he begins to call hair "long" or
"short," Williams retorts that "God has revealed it" to him when he goes into
his "prayer closet." Again we are shown that if we were only truly godly, we
would see as Williams does. When told that men in the time of Christ wore
their hair longer than he would find acceptable today, Williams asks the
nonsense question, "Have you ever seen pictures?" Of course, we have not; but
Williams hasn't seen them, either. The grooming issue, though minor [and the
invidious distinctions of which are prohibited in the book of James] is an
example of Williams and the Doctrinites putting extrabiblical qualifications
on our Christianity (It should be noted that my own hair length is quite
conservative. I could, even as I type this, pass a military inspection.).
Next: Christian Rock and The Sound Doctrine.
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Msg: 2082 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 02:08:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: DIANA GAMBINO
Subj: AMY GRANT AND THE SOUND DOCTRINE
Carla Williams use of Amy's "Madonna" quote is a clear misrepresentation. I
saw that interview as well, and I have a transcript of it here. In the
interview, which occured during the height of Madonna's secular popularity, Amy
was actually saying that she wished to be a positive ALTERNATIVE to Madonna.
She in no way meant that she wanted to be anything LIKE Madonna, as Mrs.
Williams is implying. This information is probably already known to you; but I
felt it necessary to point out for those Christian on this echo whom may not
have seen the interview.
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Msg: 2084 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 05:25:07
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2030 (THE DION CONTROVERSY )
Diane,,
Grace and mercy to you in Jesus
I was the one who brought up the issue of Dion. I too will be very interested
in what they have to say. I was really excited to hear that Dion had come to
the Lord. His music was a real inspiration.
However, I am curious on what you are expecting to hear from Dion and his
manager. Do you expect him/them to say "Oh, he has gone back to the world." Or
that, he will never record a Christian song again? I am not bringing this up
to antagonize you in any way. But as always in love to present everyone perfect
in the Lord.
Tim
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Msg: 2136 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 10:21:56
From: JEFF WATNEMOE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2070 (Re: PETRA)
No I sure don't. So, Greg is not a part of Petra anymore? If not, did Petra
disband? I hope not I really like the group. Jeff
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Msg: 2137 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 10:34:06
From: JEFF WATNEMOE
To: SHELBY WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2136 (Re: PETRA)
I havn't heard any of there latest music. (old Petra is great) but like I
said, Ireally havn't heard any of there new stuff. I know that Stryper has
been in alot of trouble. (They were found with an undisclosed amount of
cocaine) and I have heard alot of people at my work say that the Christian act
is just that an act. Sorry about no being able to help with your question. I
know that Greg Votz is still good. (lead singer for Petra at one time) God
Bless Jeff
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Msg: 2140 ROCK ON LINE
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07/16/89 11:30:19
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2137 (RE: PETRA)
Message 3822 has been read
Msg: 2142 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 11:48:58
From: Mr. Anonymous
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2053 (Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOGETHER)
Mork,
If what you call your opinion goes along with the heart of God , which it looks
like I see happening here concerning your view of Stryper, then I believe God
has given you His heart and mind in this matter. Keep seeking His heart and
you will see that your view of things spiritually will be coming from the heart
of God. Keep praying to see the world through the eyes of Jesus
In Jesus, Mike
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Msg: 2163 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 21:26:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2054 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
Kevin,
Hours of operation are SundayFriday, 6 PM to 2 AM MDT. Call Midrash and I
will leave you private mail with the number. I would especially appreciate you
leaving your tapelending number on the board. I has since been lost and you
never know who might be interested. I've also made some changes that I would
like comments on.
And, to keep this topical, can you tell me if and when Dallas Holm may be
coming to Denver? Can anyone out there tell me?
Dave
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Msg: 2165 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 16:34:31
From: MARK PAYNE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2052 (Re: STRYPER)
Hi
Perfectly alright for you to drop in on the subject. I never heard of Damp;K
asking MTV to air one of there songs By the way do you know if MTV ever aired
the video?
Thanks,
Mark
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Msg: 2168 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 17:18:07
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2137 (Re: PETRA)
JEFF, YEA OLD PETRA WAS FOR SURE REAL GOOD.....I WAS CORIUOS WERE YOU FOUND
OUT THAT STRYPER WAS FOUND WITH COCAINE......WILL TYPETO YOU LATER
MUCH PEACE AND GRACE SHELBY
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Msg: 2175 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 23:13:08
From: Mr. Anonymous
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2137 (Re: PETRA)
Hi Jeff
Long time no type So where did you hear this about Stryper getting caught
with cocaine? I'm just curious as to the validity of this. It wouldn't
surprise me though. Let me know where you found this out.
In the Master's love, Mike
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Msg: 2182 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 08:20:21
From: JEFF WATNEMOE
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2175 (Re: PETRA)
It was in the Rocky Mountain News about 3 months ago. A couple of people were
talking about it at work. I never did see the article. But I knew that
Stryper was starting to go down towards the world ways. Mike, its great
reading from you. I thought I had lost you. I have had alot of great things
happen to me. I was used by God to minister to some Mormons. I told them
about my relationship with Him, they said they would come back, but never did.
Shine the light of the Lord on evil and they shall run from the light. this
Wednesday I have someone from the Watchtower group who wants to talk with me.
And again, I shall show them the love Of Jesus. God is great I have lots
of time to pray and study, I will probably be off work for 6 weeks. I had
surgery Friday to repair a cut ligamite in my left hand thumb. But everything
is going great. How is everything going with you? Well, I am going to run off
to the echo boards. Just be assured I am thinking about you and the sysop.
God Bless, Jeff
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Msg: 2192 ROCK ON LINE
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07/17/89 23:14:18
From: Mr. Anonymous
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2182 (RE: PETRA)
Message 4038 has been read
Msg: 2200 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 22:47:00
From: ALPINE
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2052 (Re: STRYPER)
To answer your message about the DeGarmo amp; Key video, that was too graphic, the
song was '666'. The part that was too graphic involved a seen where a barrel
of fire rolled to ignite someone supposed to be the antichrist. I believe the
scene was adjusted to make it acceptable for the network.
A
Alpine
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07/17/89 00:10:00
From: STEPHEN
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2200 (Re: STRYPER)
Boy that sounds really graphic to me Or do you have to witness it for
yourself? My point is that many videos are graphic and it kinda stinks that
they have to chop up Damp;K's video.
Mithrandir the White
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Msg: 2238 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 19:05:00
From: TIGELLINUS
To: ALL
Subj: BIBLE STUDENTS CONVENTION
Hello fellow Christians and freinds. I would like to invite you to our anual
Rocky Mountain Area Bible Students Convention being held on August 11,12,13.
The convention is being held at the Viscount Hotel 200 west 48th. Avenue,
Denver, Colorado. For more information contact Marcia Kuehmichel
10201 riverdale road, 53
Thorton, CO 80229
We hope you can come and share in the word of GodTigellinus...
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Msg: 2264 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 15:48:47
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2081 (THE SOUND DOCTRINE, MSG 2)
Hi Dave, speaking of qualifications, didn't you once say on the Sound Doctrine
BBS that you are a retired psychiatrist? Where did you attend school and when
did you graduate? Are you still active in the field and how do you spend your
time now? Hope to hear from you soon, Terri
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Msg: 2275 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 15:45:00
From: MORKELEB
To: ALL
Subj: AMY GRANT
I thought that Amy Grant is no longer a 'gospel singer'? That's what I heard,
she is still the the Bible Book Stores but if I'm not mistaken she has gone
secular, isn't this true? I heard her last tape and am not impressed...
Mork
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07/19/89 13:18:23
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2275 (AMY GRANT)
Mork,
Nope, she still CLAIMS to be a Christian. In fact, she is getting ready to
start a nation wide tour. You are picking up on the heart of the situation. She
is not a Christian.
Much grace,
Tim
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Msg: 2312 ROCK ON LINE
07/19/89 15:06:49
From: WOODY LINWOOD
To: WOODY LINWOOD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2308 (AMY GRANT)
Wow... your statement "she is not a Christian" is extremely presumptous.
Although I haven't paid a lot of attention to Amy Grant I would be tremendously
cautious about pronouncing such a sentance on ANYONE... especially persons in
the limelight such as her.
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07/20/89 16:45:05
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: WOODY LINWOOD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2312 (AMY GRANT)
Hey Woody, what does it matter whether "she's especially in the limelight"?
Limelight, slimelight, or GOD'S PURE LIGHT, that's the question all Christians
must ask of their professed Christian brothers and sisters within the body of
Jesus Christ and JUDGE by the Holy Spirit. Remember?
I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people
not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and
swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But
now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself
a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a
drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of
mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to JUDGE THOSE INSIDE? God
will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." If any of you
has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment
instead of before the saints? (I Corinthians 5:96:1)
.and let's not forget...
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy personsuch a man is
an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no
one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes
on those who are disobedient. Therefore DO NOT BE PARTNERS WITH THEM. For you
were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. LIVE AS CHILDREN OF
LIGHT (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and
truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the
fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM. (Ephesians 5:511)
Woody, "regard no one from a worldly point of view." (2Cor 5:16) Ask in prayer
whether Amy Grant has the fruit of goodness, righteousness and truth,
surrendering your opinions to the LORD and seeking the light of HIS TRUTH.
By HIS grace, Terri
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07/18/89 18:01:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2441 (Re: AMY GRANT)
Sorry, dude, but Amy Grant is as Christian as ever. Somehow (a long time ago)
the rumor got out that she was renouncing Christianity about the same time she
recorded with Peter Cetera. Shows how popular gossip is.......
Mithrandir the White
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07/19/89 03:40:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: ALL
Subj: NEW MUSIC]
Just got Bash in the Codes new tape and it gets 4 stars they do a fine job
on their new one..
SO YOU CAN BUY THIS ONE WITHOUT ANY WORRIES...
Kevin
God Bless
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07/20/89 21:09:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2530 (Re: AMY GRANT)
You know what they say about gossip...
"The words of a gossip are like choice morsels, they go down to a man's inmost
parts. (Prov. 18:8, NIV)"
Dave
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07/20/89 21:11:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC
Now that we have some idea of the history and the ideas surrounding the Sound
Doctrine, let's get to the meat of the matter and talk about something that is
topical to this echo: The Sound Doctrine and Rock Music, specifically,
"Christian" Rock.
Almost certainly all regular readers and contributors to this echo are aware
that Williams, Sinak and company are hardly thrilled with Christian Rock, or
Contemporary Christian Music, as I prefer to call it (since much of what they
object to can hardly be called "rock music."). Any intelligent person can tell
you that the problem is actually one of personal taste. The Doctrinites simply
don't like CCM. Now the Doctrinites are not notorious for "sound" (if you'll
excuse the pun) exegesis or hermaneutics; but they are clever enough to realize
that they are not going to convince anyone that they are right (and remember,
the Sound Doctrine must always be right) by saying, "You shouldn't listen to
that stuff; we don't like it" They must come up with a Biblical reason for
it. One of their answers is that "it's the world's music," and we are to be
separate from the world. Let's explore this aspect a little.
There are no Biblical injunctions against music. The choir at the Sound
Doctrine "Church" does perform music (even if they must face the wall while
doing it). The Bible, however, makes no distinctions between "the world's
music" and "the Lord's music." This distinction is actually a modern one and
varies from Christian to Christian. The fact is that there is no form of
Christian music that does not have a secular counterpart and there is no longer
any secular music that does not have a Christian counterpart. Handel wrote
"Christian" AND SECULAR works and their styles are similar. Bach, Beethoven,
Mozart, and many of the classical composers wrote music both for the church and
for their secular audiences. There are country singers who sing many gospel
songs and gospel does sound different many times; but a number of gospel songs
are indistinguishable in style from many contemporary country songsif all you
could hear was the music, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a
song written to be country and a song written to be "countryChristian."
Music is a gift from the Lord. It gives us pleasure, reduces our stress, and
allows us to sing praises to Him. However, like any gift from the Lord, it can
be and has been perverted by men. Lennon/McCartney wrote a number of beautiful
songs with lyrics that the Christian may find objectionable (e.g., _Imagine_).
Glen Campbell, a personal favorite of mine who became a Christian just a couple
of years ago, recorded _Gentle on My Mind_ as his first "hit." This song had a
catchy tune; but it was a song about a "love 'em and leave 'em kind of guy."
In more modern times, Dan Fogelberg (another personal favorite) sings about an
encounter with an old lover in the very lilting "Auld Lange Syne," and Whitney
Houston, a professing Christian, sings about an affair with a married man in
"Saving All My Love for You." These are all things that a Christian could and
should reject. The true Christian merit of a song rests almost entirely in the
lyrics, not in the musical style. The Mormons sing a song in praise of Joseph
Smith that sounds very much like "How Great Thou Art." The style may be that
of the classical Christian hymn; but the lyrics are not even remotely
acceptable in a Christian church.
Continued next message...
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07/20/89 21:12:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2749 (SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
In the previous message, I hope that I have been able to delinate the real
distinction between what may be considered a "Christian" song and what may not
be; and why there is no real distinction between "the world's music" and
whatever the Sound Doctrine considers "the Lord's Music."
"Christian" rock and "Christian" metal music do not get a lot of playing time
on my turntable, since I am not an aficianado of this kind of music; but I do
recognize its uses. While these kinds of music are not edifying to me,
personally, I find that this is because of my own personal musical tastes and
not because of any real substantial Biblical reasoningso I don't try to
create one. The evidence is that if you are going to witness to the unsaved
today and you are going to do it with music, you must do it with the music of
today. You are not going to get a teenager to sit through a Dave Boyer or
George Beverly Shea concert. Chances are, he/she won't even find Evie very
tolerable (is Evie going to Hell because she wears her hair very short?).
However, you can probably get a teenager to go see Stryper, Petra, the Rez
Band, and any number of other groups or individuals, including Amy Grant. My
wife became a Christian at a Dallas Holm concert.
Is whether or not the music is personally edifying a reason to reject or accept
certain styles of music as antiBiblical? Certainly not. Since his salvation,
Glen Campbell has released two very nice Christian albums that retain his
style. I find these albums very pleasant AND edifying. My wife will not
listen to Glen; but she does continue to enjoy and be edified by Dallas Holm
and Amy Grant (whom I enjoy, as well) and Petra (whom I do not care for,
personally). I know a number of nonChristians who listen to and enjoy
Christian music from the classical era to today and the message in the music,
edifying to many of us, has not mattered one bit in their personal
philosophies. My father loved the old gospel and spiritual songs; but, as far
as I know, died an unBeliever (he was a Jew). The bottom line to this point is
that it's not the music that makes the differenceit's the heart of the
listener.
The Sound Doctrine will reject all of this on the same grounds that they reject
any questioning of their beliefs. The fact is that Tim Williams and his group
have decided that any music that they personally do not like is evil, have gone
into their "prayer closets," and have had their belief confirmed (Any
firstyear psychology student can tell you why this is expected behaviorwhich
is probably one of the reasons that the Sound Doctrine rejects psychology, as
well). This is the sort of special revelation that Williams and company claim
to receive directly from God and is what allows him to fill in details that the
Lordin His wisdom and for His purposechose not to provide (hair length and
clothing styles are others) in the Bible. The fact that they consider
themselves as some sort of heavenly messengers is evident in ther posts on this
echo. Sinak repeatedly says things like "God hates this or that and this is
why..." and then generally references a Bible text that is actually irrelevant
to the subject matter. Sinak also repeatedly answers the messages of others
with Proverbs 18:2, which says "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding, but
delights in airing his own opinions." Since Sinak believes that his messages
are NOT opinions, but heavenly revelation, he is not covered by this passage.
We must always be suspicious of any group that claims such modernday
revelation and further claims to have all the answers.
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07/20/89 21:13:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2750 (SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
The best evidence that I have been able to gather suggests that the Sound
Doctrine is part of a littleknown trend in Christianity known as "The
Sheparding Movement." In this movement, small sects or paraChristian cults
act in much the same way that we see the Sound Doctrine operating here. They
hold that they are the holders of absolute truth and that anyone deviating even
slightly with their beliefs are, as a minimum, not "carry their crosses," nor
have they "completely surrendered to Christ." They operate in much the same
way that nonChristian cults operatethe leader generally has unquestioned
authority and considers it his duty to "protect" Christians from whatever he
perceives as evil influence (which is why Williams is so insistent that his
word be accepted as "doctrine" on the issues discussed on this board). There
is some evidence of some sort of "communal" living (that they attempt to
justify by appealing to the history of the early churcha justification that
falls flat if investigated.). In addition to this, leaders of such sects often
claim special revelation, the evidence of which we have already seen on this
echo.
I realize that there is a Cult echo which covers this sort of thing. However,
not all BBSs that carry this echo carry "Cult Watch," and, since the Sound
Doctrine has been present here, I felt it prudent to provide the information so
that the readers of this echo might gain a better understanding of how these
people operate and how they "think." Since I read this echo frequently I felt
moved to provide the information. I thank Diane and all for your patience.
Any questions may be directed to me through this echo or, if you have access,
through "Cult Watch."
Dave Horn
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07/20/89 17:29:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2748 (Re: AMY GRANT)
yeah, gossip is most definately something to stay away from.....
Mithrandir the White
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Msg: 2814 ROCK ON LINE
07/21/89 08:23:55
From: WOODY LINWOOD
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2441 (AMY GRANT)
Hi. Gonna be gone for a few weeks so we'll have to continue this when I return
but... yes I do see in the Scriptures where we are authorized to pass judgement
on those within the Body. I believe the reason the Lord has allowed us that
opportunity, however, is to protect His kids who can be directly affected by
bad teachings, etc. Jesus came to heal the sick... for THEY are the ones that
need the doctor, right? As I previously stated, I have not paid much attention
to Amy Grant but suppose for one second that her main "ministry" is to those
nonbelieving kids who have no spiritual interest. If the Lord has led her down
a path that would allow the majority of her efforts to be expended OUTSIDE the
Church (AND) if she does not compromise her walk with Him then for me to
conclude that God would never do that could infer I have the same attitude as
those who persecuted His prophets and Son. Quite frankly, God's kids have
already heard His Gospel and responded to it. SOMEBODY has to reach those
outside God's Kingdom. Wycliff missionaries GO to where the people are. Street
ministries GO to where the need is. So why is it too hard to suppose that God
would send His kids outside of Zondervan to draw the lost unto Himself. In
conclusion, because Amy Grant's "teachings" or "music" do not personnally
affect YOUR walk with your Creator, you should be careful when passing
judgement on her. I'm not saying not to do it but, please, just be careful.
Anyway, see you when I can dial in again In His Service Woody
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07/22/89 00:06:00
From: ALPINE
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2751 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
I have appreciated your input on this touchy subject. Many of the users on our
board have been wondering to the origins of SD. Thanks for the valuable
insight. Maybe the SD founders would care to elaborate more on the CW board?
Alpine
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07/22/89 21:22:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2934 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
I appreciate that you found the information fruitful. I was torn between
whether or not to add the information, so I prayed long and hard. The
impression that I got was to go ahead and do so.
It is my belief that we can understand others a little better if we try to
understand their motivation and their underlying belief systems. Yes, it's
touchy. No one likes to see their belief systems attacked (as the Sound
Doctrine almost certainly believes they have been) but "attack" was not my
intent. I feel that if the SD believes that they have the right to attack and
belittle others because their opinions are different, then we have the right to
know why they feel this way.
Thanks for the response. So tell me, do you know if Dallas Holm is coming to
Denver anytime soon? My wife would like to go see him again.
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07/23/89 17:04:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3075 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
If Whitney Houstan is actually a Christian, I'd be surprised. She seems
more like one of the confused members of "Unity" or some other weird New
Age/Christian mix.
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Msg: 3244 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 17:02:23
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: SOUND DOCTRINE
Hi Diane, I am sorry to see that our discussion has turned into a debate as to
whether Sound Doctrine is an heresy or not. There is another board where such
a discussion would be more appropriate called the "Heresy Watch". If you have
any questions as to what we believe or teach feel free to ask. Plus you can
call the Sound Doctrine BBS anytime. We have had some really good discussions
on here and some pertinent questions have arised. I would hate to see them
end.
The interview with Amy that I mentioned could not have been the same one that
Dave says that he "saw". It was in another state and was on radio. The
arguement that Amy wants to be an alternative to Madonna proves my point. Just
as I do not beleive that Stryper is an alternative to Ozzie Osborne; we need
no alternatives to the things of this world. Jesus said that he is the WAY not
the alternative. We are commanded to come out and be separate not to
compromise.
Again I hope our discussions can continue and any debates concerning Sound
Doctrine can go on a board set up for such discussions.
May the Lord Bless you in your Work:
Carla
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07/23/89 17:06:04
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: WOODY LINWOOD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2312 (AMY GRANT)
if she does not compromise with Him
Woody, you made this statement in regards with Amy's music and I agree totally.
The question is has Amy compromised. I believe she has. Have you seen her
secular video that she did with Peter Cetera?? It was very compromising for a
"Christain."
Some on this board assume that we do not like Amy's or Stryper's music or
contemporay Christain music at all. Those people have never looked at our
library of music tapes. I enjoy CCM very much as long as the muscian lives up
to the words that he/she sings. If their public appearances reflect a heart
that truly loves the Lord then their private ones hopefully will too. I enjoy
Amy's music and I care a lot about her, enough to be concerned about the
compromise.
Time and time again on this board we have shared scripture that points out that
such compromise with the world grieves the Lord. I have yet to see a scripture
that points out where such compromise is acceptable to Him. Instead we receive
personal attacks and accusations. Twisting of rumors that have not been
investigated to see if they are true or not. We did, in love go to Amy
personally. I am not saying that you have attacked us, Woody, but there have
been others who have. "Judgement" does indeed begin with the "House of God".
And we are our brothers keepers, who should love enough to speak the Truth.
All Praise to Him,
Carla
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07/23/89 20:45:17
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: QUESTION
Hi Dave, speaking of qualifications, didn't you once say on the Sound Doctrine
BBS that you are a retired psychiatrist? Where did you attend school and when
did you graduate? Are you still active in the field and how do you spend your
time now? Hope to hear from you soon, Terri
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07/23/89 13:27:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3226 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
I know. That's why I "qualified" my statement by using the term "professing"
Christian.
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07/24/89 13:27:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3244 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)
TO ALL: The heresy watch Carla is talking about, is probally called Cult Watch
on the rest of your local BBS's.
Shalom
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07/24/89 10:20:16
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: BILL CARLSON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3384 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)
Thanks Bill, I noticed that later. Hopefully the discussion will move over to
that board.
Carla
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07/24/89 14:12:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3245 (Re: AMY GRANT)
I am aware of the investigative techniques used to evaluate your position and I
am convinced that they were valid, as were the points raised. Your Scriptures
are hardly proof of your position for precisely the reasons that were
mentioned. God decided to leave certain piddly details out that you folks
choose to put in. Isn't there something accursed about "adding to the Bible."
I know there is. . I think you missed the point entirely. You people fail to
qualify anything you say as your "opinion." It's always fact, as far as you're
concerned and everyone else is wrongsince everyone else is simply voicing
opinion.
For example: you say that people who think you hate CCM haven't seen your
tape library. You say that if their heart is truly in what they are doing then
you find them acceptable. Really? Who, then, do you find "acceptable" to YOUR
standard? Evie? Paul Clark? Don Francisco? Rez Band? Who makes this
judgement? You do, right? Aren't you then only voicing your OPINION, really?
You are certainly entitled to an opinion, Carla; but Dave is absolutely correct
(my experience being that I have read virtually every public message that has
been on your BBS as far back as last September) in that you people never admit
that your opinions are simply thatopinions. It's always "God's word" when it
comes from you. That makes you guys a little suspect in my book.
ka
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07/24/89 14:15:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3246 (Re: QUESTION)
That's another problem with people from the Sound Doctrinenot only can you
not stay on the subject and try to avert being exposed; but you can't even get
your facts straight. At 34, Dave is a little your to be "retired," nor is he a
psychiatrist (I know this, having met him personally last May or so); but a
degreed "psychologist."
ka
(And thanks to Mr. Anonymous for introducing us)
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07/24/89 14:25:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: SOUND DOCTRINE
Subj: MESSAGES
I've noticed that your messages are a little late getting to the net. I was
wondering if you were withholding messages (in violation of net policy) but I
guess you were not. Still, I am wondering where Tim's message on Amy Grant is.
I wish to respond simply...
TW: "Amy Grant IS NOT [emphasis added] a Christian."
Get this out of your "prayer closet," Tim? Since Dave will not talk to you
people, I will respond...
"For what man knows the things of a man except the SPIRIT OF THE MAN WITHIN HIM
[emphasis added]? Even so, NO ONE KNOW THE THINGS OF GOD EXCEPT THE SPIRIT OF
GOD [emphasis added]."
That is from 1 Corinthians, chapter 2, verse 11. This verse seems to
disqualify you from judging either the spirit of Amy Grant AND the Spirit of
God. Since this verse provides some evidence that man cannot know the things
of God (such things are limited to "the Spirit of God") that seems to
disqualify your "prayer closet" revelations, too, doesn't it? Of course, you
will claim that you have the "Spirit of God" to rebut this; but that should
surprise no one hereincluding those who also claim to have that "spirit" and
who see things differently.
ka
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07/24/89 14:31:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3396 (Re: AMY GRANT)
I don't see how using a skill to make a living is necessarily "compromise."
Aren't people entitled to make a living? If Amy Grant wants to record secular
songs, what's wrong with that? Debby Boone started that way and has since made
three or four religious albums that I listen to and enjoy very much. There are
lots of Christians out there who work in the secular world to make a living.
Just because you don't have to doesn't mean that that should reflect on them.
The "compromise" that you see is with YOUR standard. Whether that is also the
"Lord's standard" or whatever remains to be seen.
ka
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07/24/89 14:34:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2201 (Re: STRYPER)
"...you still have not showed me scripture [paraphrased]."
Would it matter? Would you then be convinced that just because someone is
doing something you don't particularly agree with in a manner that you don't
particularly agree with that it isn't necessarily evil or bad or whatever? I
doubt it.
ka
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07/24/89 14:35:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3387 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)
CW: "...in the message Dave says he 'saw'..."
Saw was in quotes in your message. Are you accusing someone of lying?
ka
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07/24/89 21:40:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3398 (Re: MESSAGES)
Ken, you almost sound like a M'shachim, lt;grin, what brings on the sudden
change, and the quotes from the Brit HaChadasha?
Who knows...
Shalom
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Msg: 3405 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 17:57:07
From: BILL CARLSON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3387 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)
No problem, probally the easiest way would be for you to post that from there,
then when they responded, they would already be there.
Shalom
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Msg: 3408 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 21:10:46
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3397 (Re: QUESTION)
Thanks Ken for the correction and information.
He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains
understanding. (Proverbs 15:32)
There I go again "blasting" you with scripture Terri
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Msg: 3410 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 23:53:13
From: RUTHANNE PRINCE
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY
Kevin,
Your message was not addressed to me, but I wanted to respond about "of the
world". What Jesus calls us to do is come out and be separate. STRYPER does
not come out and be separate. JOHN 15:18 says," If the world hates you, keep in
mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world , it would love you
as it's own. As it is you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out
of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to
you:" No servant is greater than his master." If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They
will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who
sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin.
Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin."
As Christians we will be persecuted. WE need to be separate now so we will
then. Separate from the world, that is.
Love ,
Ruthanne
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Msg: 3420 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 01:04:59
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: ALL
Subj: PRAISING WHO?
Hi everyone, I know we just went through a hotly debated topic on hard rock
bands like Strypper, but after viewing a Strypper video (seeing first hand
where they're coming from and going to) of their concerts, back stage and off
stage comments, etc., I couldn't help but notice, the audience response to the
band. Just who was the crowd raising their hands to? To who were they adoring
and giving praises? Who is there star? I bring this up since the band itself
as well as their fans claim they are a Christian band sending out the gospel
message through hard rock music and song. GOD's WORD has some relevant things
on how Christians should praise and worship GOD.
Because your love is better than life, my lips will glorify you. I will praise
you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands. My soul will
be satisfied as with the richest of foods; with singing lips my mouth will
praise you. (Psalms 63:35)
and...
I spread out my hands to you; my soul thirsts for you like a parched land.
Selah (Psalms 143:6)
When Ezra had an attentive audience, standing above the crowd, just as Strypper
has these days, he didn't attemp to share in GOD's glory:
Ezra opened the book. All the people could see him because he was standing
above them; and as he opened it, the people all stood up. Ezra praised the
LORD, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded,
"Amen Amen" Then they bowed down and worshiped the LORD with their faces to
the ground. (Nehemiah 8:56)
GOD is a jealous GOD. He wants us to thirst after and love only HIM with a
pure and obedient heart. If we do not...
I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be
heard no more. (Ezekiel 26:13) and then notice: I will make you a bare rock,
and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for
I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD. (Ezekiel 26:14) Whoa
Could GOD make a promise to make any rock (surely that includes hard rock
also) a "bare rock" if they do not solely worship HIM and do HIS will.
Elsewhere, GOD says: "I hate, I despise your religious feasts; I cannot stand
your assemblies. Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will
have no regard for them. Away with the noise of your songs I will not listen
to the music of your harps. But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness
like a neverfailing stream (Amos 5:2124)
Who is GOD talking to? Professed Christians praising it up with all manner of
sacrificial offersings, song and festivity in the NAME OF THE LORD But GOD
wants none of it because HE says: You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols, the star of your god which you made for
yourselves. (Amos 5:26) Who are the kings, the idols, the stars which we have
lifted up as a holy shrine?
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Msg: 3460 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 11:58:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3401 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)
No problem.
Shalom
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Msg: 3472 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 16:11:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3410 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)
Oh, so by separating ourselves it means we can't listen (or play, as the case
may be) to the same type of music that nonchristians listen to? I think that
being a christian would really be a drag if we couldn't do the same things that
nonchristians do, i.e. driving a car, reading books (hmmmm, interesting huh?),
watching television, etc.....
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Msg: 3473 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 16:14:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3420 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
Are you assuming that the whole crowd listening to Stryper is Christian? Or
are you saying that Christians, and nonChristians alike need to adore God and
God alone. We can't be impressed by the talents of musical artists? I believe
we need to love and honor God, but we don't have to limit our love only towards
him.
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Msg: 3487 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 18:14:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: BILL CARLSON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3403 (Re: MESSAGES)
Well, Ha Shem moves in mysterious ways lt;grin. However, my wife and two of my
sons are practicing Presbyterians and that, along with my own independent
studies, has given me a good working knowledge of Christian doctrine and the
NT.
ka
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Msg: 3488 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 18:21:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3397 (Re: QUESTION)
Yep. There you go again. Why is that passage appropriate? To whom is it
direted?
ka
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Msg: 3489 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 18:24:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3473 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
That's the problem with those guys. They assume that everyone listening to
them must either be Christians or become Christians or they are falling short
of their standard. (By the way, "those guys" are the "Sound" Doctrine and
"them" are Christian musicians. Sorry fo r the bad grammar.)
ka
P.S. What is a "Mithrandir?"
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Msg: 3490 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 01:45:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: lt;:
Test 1Test 2
Test 3
= Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord lt;=
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Msg: 3536 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 05:59:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3489 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
I believe we need to love and honor God, but we
don't have to limit our love only towards him.
Just as a point of note, aren't we told to Love Him "with all your heart,
soul, mind and strength"? If you love Him with ALL of that, how much love is
left over for yourself, your neighbor, etc?
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Msg: 3650 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 18:19:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: ALL
Subj: POOTERS
HEY YOU WHATS UP WIT' YOU DORK? KIDDING GOSH CANT YA TAKE A JOKE????????????
ANYWAY WHAT IM REALLY RYING TO SAY IS:
COME POST ON THE SPORTS BOARD.
ALL YOU GUYS GOTTA START GETTING OUT MORE
DONT BE SITTING ON YER BUTUX.
EVEN IF YOU HATE SPORTS IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKW YOU KILL, CMON AND TELL US
ABOUT IT ON THE SPORTS BOARD, BUPIES
I TELL YA DO IT NOW AND YOU WILL GET IT OVER WITH EARLY K
I TELL YA DO IT NOW AND YOU WILL FEEL BETTER AND IT MIGHT VEN IMROVE YER
SPORTS LIKINGNESS. WOW WHAT A WORD.
NOW SPELL "COME" VERY GOOD.
NOW SPELL "TO" VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL "THE" VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL "SPORTS" VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL "BOARD" VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL "NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" VERY GOOD INDEED
NOW PUT IT ALL TOGETHER..
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Msg: 3664 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 11:58:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3487 (Re: MESSAGES)
Really? What type of practicing, Presbyterians? Conservative/Independent, or
what 'synod/branch?
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Msg: 3671 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 08:44:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3536 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
If we love Him with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, doesn't that simply
mean that we are to love him as much as we are capable of loving someone,rather than "using up" all of our love on him. I don't see how it would be
possible to use up your love Are you saying that one can't even love his/her
own spouse?
Steve
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Msg: 3673 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 08:55:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3671 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
No problem (about the bad grammar) it didn't bother me at all. Actually it is
kind of a pet peeve of mine that on this echo everyone types in perfect grammar
and everyone always corrects their spelling errors I mean this is a social
activity and not an official paper we are writingjust make it legible
Have fun O.K. I think I've got my point across lt;ha ha
Oh, sorry for the alias Quest is mostly an aliastypeofboard and I forget
to sign my name on the echo messages. To answer your question Ken, Mithrandir
is a character in J.R.R. Tolkien's actionfantasy fiction series of books.
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Msg: 3674 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 08:57:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3673 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
OOps see what i mean? My real name is Steve Schram, so if I ever forget to
sign a message just kind of mentally stick that there, please
Steve Schram
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Msg: 3702 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 17:06:27
From: RUTHANNE PRINCE
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3472 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)
It's not a matter of cars or books, but where our heart is at with those
things. Either we serve our Master or we don't. There's no middle ground.
Sincerely,
Ruthanne
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Msg: 3723 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 00:59:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: KING CASPIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3650 (Re: POOTERS)
Please take you invitations to the Sports section to the Local area.
This is an echo area that is carried by hundreds of BBS's around the world so
such invitations are not appropriate here. Thank you.
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Msg: 3726 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 01:23:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3674 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
I don't see how it would be possible to use up your love Are
you saying that one can't even love his/her own spouse?
You will notice that I phrased it as a question. Just testing. lt;grin
However, if we love HaShem with all of our "heart, mind, soul and strength"
then our love for others will be directed through HaShem and will not be
independant of that love. That was what I was getting at.
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Msg: 3729 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 10:13:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2192 (Re: PETRA)
Hi Jon
You're right, Petra's new singer IS John Schlitt, has been since 'Back to the
Street' three albums ago......however....he is not from Kansas, can't remember
where he IS from exactly......Kansas gave us Kerry Livgren tho, who started
the band AD after doing a few solos. Kansas themselves were pretty good with
songs like Dust in the Wind, Carry on Wayward Son, Hold On and The End of the
Age. Some definate Spiritual influences in those boys lives, mostly due to
Livgren.
Chris |lt;
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Msg: 3730 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 10:19:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: DAVID HAGINS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 1969 (Re: THE LENGTH OF A MANS HAIR)
Excellent response brother
GOD rules
(not barbers)
Chris |lt;
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Msg: 3731 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 10:22:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2029 (Re: DION)
You hit the nail on the head bro
Chris |lt;
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Msg: 3732 ROCK ON LINE
07/19/89 14:53:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3400 (Re: STRYPER)
Do you wear the Robe and stuff that Jesus wore back then?
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Msg: 3733 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 11:36:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: ROB ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3732 (Re: STRYPER)
Amen bro
Chris |lt;.
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Msg: 3734 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 11:44:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3733 (Re: STRYPER)
Seth, I realize it's been a while since you wrote this, but I like your
style We are supposed to be 'a peculiar people' and 'the salt of the
earth', not a bunch of 'thou shalt not' fuddieduddies who get a kick out of
witchhunts and have copetitions for the most sour expressions
In Him, (He even drank occassionally...lt;gasp)
Chris |lt;.
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Msg: 3735 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 17:30:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: ALL
Subj: IS THIS SEEN IN DETROIT?
looking for a christian bbs with this meeting in detroit. Can anyone help?
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Msg: 3736 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 22:32:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3734 (Re: STRYPER)
] Could you really call a band "Christian" whose pants are so tight you
] can tell whether or not they have been circumcised?
]
I was going to laugh, but I do remember the "You shall know them by thier
fruits" passage in the Bible. Stryper tends to come off as secular as you can
get sometimes, and it does make me wonder sometimes as to thier purpose in
God's plan. Now if they dropped the "Look" that most metal bands have,
they would have a great leap in the right direction. Most of thier music is
pretty good, but untill I see them change thier image, they are in the same
boat with the rest of the secular world. Mind you I do listen to WhiteCross,
and Petra, but if you see them in concert or on a poster, you will know the
difference right away.
Mike
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Msg: 3737 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 22:56:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: TEST
] Would all boards reading this msg please respond. I would like to see
] what the area covered by this echo is. would you also please include
] the approx. numbers of users
]
Area: Arlington, Va (about half a stones throw from Wahsington D.C.)
Number of users: About 175 right now. (according to OOPS)
Mike
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Msg: 3738 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 23:04:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3736 (Re: STRYPER)
] THAT is precisely my point. Just because Heavy Metal musicians
] STRYPER play heavy metal, same as Twisted Sister, or Lita Ford, does
] NOT make them the "...SAME AS..." them. Just as Mike Warnke is a
] comedian, and Eddie Murphy is a comedian. It is not the media that is
] important, it is the message.
First of all the difference between Mike Warnke and Eddie Murphy is like day
and night. Now with Stryper and Twisted Sister or Lita Ford the difference
starts to look kinda gray. Sure the message is different, but LOOK at the on
stage performance and posters for all the above. You will see what I mean.
There is NOTHING wrong with the format used to get God's message across, (I was
planning to put my Les Paul to some such work, on my 4 track) but you have to
live the lifestyle too. On stage as well as off stage.
Mike
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Msg: 3739 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 23:10:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3738 (Re: STRYPER)
] Jesus himself had long hair.
Find me that scripture that states just that. I can't seem to find anything
that would contradict God's wording about long hair.
] What about the scripture that states
] that women are to wear their head covered. I think we need to do more
] than just read the versus. It behoves us to be familiar with the
] laws, customs and situations of the times that the bible was written.
Nope, you have to be familiar with the word. Let the Holy Spirit show you the
interpretation of God's word.
] Just because a musician has long hair does not mean that they cannot
] preach/sing the good news. Mike Warnke has long hair, Billy Graham,
] now, even has hair longer hair than a lot of preachers. Who is to
] determine what the exact length is that determines "long" hair from
] hair of an acceptable length? YOU? I doubt it. I bet my hair is
] even shorter than yours
Long hair is not an offence to God UNLESS you do it in rebellion. Now before
you freak out, think and really pray on that. I have long hair (well, it's cut
over my ears, and the back was left to grow long. I had to make sure though
that I was NOT rebelling agenst anyone or using my hair as some sort of
statement. In my case it was letting my hair get shaggy, and really horrible
looking because it offended my dad. I have it looking neat now, because I
wanted it that way, and I still keep it long. One more thing, if I could get
more folks turned on to Jesus by shaving my head, I woulden't hesitate for a
second. Just be ready to give it up if God asks you to. Remember that it is
YOUR life that is a witness to you life in Christ, and if required I will do an
ything to keep appearences up. Have a good day in the Lord...
Mike
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Msg: 3740 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 23:26:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: ALL
Subj: BEFORE I FORGET
This is a test of my point's system to be able to communicate with the BBS also
on the same LAN system to communicate with the ROCKONLINE echo.
Mike
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Msg: 3741 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 14:41:00
From: DEBBIE CLEMENT
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3740 (Re: BEFORE I FORGET)
I get you loud and clear here in Omaha
Shalom
Deb
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Msg: 3742 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 16:20:00
From: DAVID HAGINS
To: JACK SHARP
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3739 (Re: STRYPER)
Jack....did you not read the rest of my message?
You say you don't listen to those groups. And that they are just mere
sensationalists(sp). I listened to them. I Knew the words. I Knew the
message behind the thoughts. Most of the time the message was bold amp; very
intentional(sp).
It is plainly stated that Satan is Lord in their songs. Kiss had a song called
God of Thunder which sang about Satan being the ruler of rock amp; roll and that
through rock amp; roll the Devil would slowly rob you of your soul.
I guess that they could sing faborably about Satan amp; satanism and not be a part
of it .... GIVE ME A BREAK.
Why do you defend these groups with whom you have not the experiences with them
that I and others former satanists have had. The words are real. A lot of
young people (me included) Thought the same way that you promote....it's just
words....they only do it 'cause of the money...people take their words the
wrong way. And then slowly the Devil started reelin' me in.
If this isn't enough...I can give you some other quotes from some more satanic
songs, if you'd like.
GOD Rules,
Dave
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Msg: 3743 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 18:38:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: Re: JESUS' HAIR
] It doesn't have to scriptural to be true, it can be traditional and
] historical. We know, through other historical records that the men of
] those times wore there hair mostly at shoulder length.
Ah, but was Jesus just like "other" men of the times? Now that I know via
scripture NOT to be true.
Mike
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Msg: 3744 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 18:42:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: DEBBIE CLEMENT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3741 (Re: BEFORE I FORGET)
] I get you loud and clear here in Omaha
]
Hey Deb, what's the rule on connects with this conference? I got a couple of
Christian BBS's that would love to have this echo.
Mike
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Msg: 3745 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 00:47:00
From: RYAN PAGE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3742 (Re: STRYPER)
1;EID:ff37 12f905f3
Thank you for that post. It's people like that who make me want to grow my
hair as long as it will get.
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Msg: 3746 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 01:08:00
From: RYAN PAGE
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3291 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
1;EID:ff37 12f90916
Thank you for posting that. I listen to stuff that would make Mssrs. Williams
and Sinak wet their shorts (Vengeance, Deliverance, The Crucified,
Believer,etc.) but I do not reject all other Christian Rock simply because it
does not appeal to my personal tastes. I just read their posts tonight, and I
almost went through the wall. As a matter of fact, I have a headache as a
direct result of the aggravation their holierthanthou attitude gave me. thank
you for clarifying where they REALLY stand for me, as I would not even known
where to START refuting what they were saying.
I look forward to being a part of this board znd I hope that your series of
posts will help get things on an even keel.
Hodge Podge
aka Ryan Page
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Msg: 3747 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 12:28:00
From: DEBBIE CLEMENT
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3744 (Re: BEFORE I FORGET)
You might send a msg to Jeff Johnson as he is my feed. I don't remember the
name of the Coordinator/Moderator of this echo, though.
Shalom
Deb
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Msg: 3748 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 09:30:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: GOOD LUCK WITH GLAD
I think I said it all in the subject header
Thanks, I'll need it.
Pat
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Msg: 3749 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 11:05:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: FREE MUSIC
WANT TO WIN FREE MUSIC????
THE 'ROCK' ONLINE has music cassettes to give away as part of the summer
challenge: to challenge you to listen to another category of Christian music
other than what you are used to listening to.
The Trivia Challenges are one way to win free music. Can anyone suggestion
another?
That's right. I am asking YOUT to suggest some other ways that T'R'OL can give
away the opportunity to hear more Christian music.
P.S. If you're idea is used, you'll get a music cassette as well.
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Msg: 3750 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 11:05:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: BIG NEWS
BIG NEWS
STAY TUNED here
THE 'ROCK' ONLINE MAGAZINE will be making some major announcements with the
next few weeks and using this echo to post them on.
Be assured that these announcements will be of major interest to its readers.
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Msg: 3751 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 11:07:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: JULY MUSIC TRIVIA CHALLENGE GAME
1. What year did Keith Green die?
2. How many songs are included in Keith Green's THE MINISTRY YEARS VOL I lp?
3. Who wrote "EASTER SONG" which has been recorded by Keith Green, GLAD, and
others?
4. What Christian singer has been called the 'Protestant Version of John
Michael Talbot'?
5. Bonnie Keen and Renee Garcia are former backup singers to what Christian
female artist?
6. What is the name of the Christian band that Gary McSpadden and Bill Gather
formed?
7. What Christian trio has also sung such commercial jingles as Pepsilt;, Diet
Orange Crushlt;, and Dodgelt;?
8. In 1986, Larnelle Harris won a Grammy for song he recorded with Sandi
Patti. Name it.
9. Who sang the hit version of the beautiful Christian music ballad,
"UNDIVIDED"?
10. In 1986, John Schlitt joined what popular Christian rock group as their
lead singer?
11. What is significant about Keith Green's song "JESUS COMMANDS US TO GO"
being released on 72084?
12. Larnelle Harris sang the title song for the movie based on the life of
Charles Colson. Name the movie/song title.
13. The following songs can be found on which Sheila Walsh lp: "JESUS LOVES THE
CHURCH", "HOPE FOR THE HOPELESS", "LOVE IS THE ANSWER"?
14. Ric Florian is a member of what famous Christian rock group?
15. What Christian instrumentalist recently put out his first solo vocal lp
called PILGRIMAGElt;?
DEADLINE: AUGUST 16th, 1989.
Please be sure to read the Rules on how to enter before entering the challenge.
You can find an excerpt of the rules in the July issue of the magazine.
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Msg: 3752 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 11:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: JULY BIBLE TRIVIA CHALLENGE GAME
THE BIBLE TRIVIA CHALLENGE FOR THE MONTH OF JULY
1. What name is above every name?
2. No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by whom?
3. What does the Greek word Christos mean?
4. In Zechariah 3:8, who is the Branchlt;?
5. Who did the Apostle Paul refer to by the name, "The Last Adam"?
6. The name "Wonderful" was first used in the Bible in what OT book?
7. When/how was it used?
8. In which scripture would you find the following: "I AM THAT I AM"?
9. Who is the "bright and morning star"?
10. Complete this, "Jesus said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham.......".
11. From which Book is the verse of question 10 found in?
12. What is said to be Job's favorite name for God?
13. Start this scripture, "______________, whoever enters through me will be
saved.
14. Which NT book will you find the scripture of question 13?
15. Which epistle is the longest of Paul's letters?
DEADLINE: AUGUST 16th, 1989.
If you want to play please check RULES OF PLAY and good luck
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Msg: 3753 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 14:17:00
From: AL PETERSEN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: LOOK WHO'S HERE
Well Diane, see i'm here on Joe Brown's Bbs, I have just captured ALL of the
TROL msgs, and will try to put them up on the BITSTop BBs for you. Now I want
to leave a msg. to Joe and see if there is a posibility there is a way for me
to not have page lengts so when I capture the text files It won't pause after
every 66 lines. See you on the BITSTop.
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Msg: 3754 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 11:15:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: PAUL KNUPKEJR
Subj: Re: AMY GRANT IN NYC
If you will be there or know anyone else who will and want to write up a review
for the magazine, by all means please do so.
I have heard from a reader of the magazine, who does not have access to this
base, that she just appeared in NJ. He was at the concert and will write up a
review about it.
I am anxious to know all your opinions of Amy's concerts.
Recently, someone told me (as an insider) that although Amy's hope is to appeal
to a broader audience (the way Dion does) in reality most in attendance of her
shows are Christians and they are outraged at the price of her tickets.
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Msg: 3755 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 16:18:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3745 (Re: STRYPER)
I am trying to put a list together of some of the Christian performers that
users would like to see interviewed/featured in future issues of the magazine,
are there any performers than you listen to?
that you like.
I think we have established those who you don't care for.
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Msg: 3756 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 16:22:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALPINE
Subj: Re: TEST
Alpine, please send me (here's a good place) the times your bbs is in
operation, which bauds it supports, and its telephone . I want to include it
in the directory of bbses to read T'R'OL on and the echo as well.
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Msg: 3757 ROCK ON LINE
07/16/89 16:23:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DEBBIE CLEMENT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3756 (Re: TEST)
Debbie, if I already asked you this and your answer is forthcoming ...please
excuse this repeat. Just that I am trying to get the Anniversary issue out and
want to make sure that I have the info on the newcomers like your bbs. Please
send the , times of operation and bauds you support. Thanks.
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Msg: 3758 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 09:38:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: PAT MULCAHY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3748 (Re: GOOD LUCK WITH GLAD)
Happy Birthday to Pat
Happy Birthday to Pat
Happy Birthday to Pat
Happy Birthday to Pat
(Just in case anyone out there is wondering...today is Pat Mulcahy, sysop of
Generic BBS, birthday)
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Msg: 3759 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 16:53:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR PLEASE READ
TO ALL USERS: IMPORTANT PLEASE READ
It is my desire to keep 'R'OL an echo that is pleasing to the Lord, amp; that
gives Him glory as we discuss topics that reflect Him. I have personally
intended that this echo be a place where Christians who listen to Christian
music can discuss it openly without fearing that someone who doesn't like it is
going to jump down their throats. I've never intended it to be a place for
flaming discussions there are echoes just for that. Up until a few weeks ago,
I thought that flaming conversations only occurred among believers and
nonbelievers. Of all echoes on computer, this is NOT the one for judgements or
repetitive arguements; if any disagreements are to be had here, I used to think
it would concern whether Amy sings better than Sandi In my mind, 'R'OL is a
forum from which to learn, and understand each other better through the music amp;
the people whose ministries strive to bring people to the Lord.
I've always considered 'R'OL echo to be like the little church or meeting place
down the block. People see it. People walk by it. All are invited. Some come.
Some don't. But for those who do, the welcome mat on the door expresses to all
that in this place 'God is glorified'.
My thoughts as the moderator of this echo is that aside from being a Between
Issueslt; place that serves in keeping Christian music fans informed on the
latest news from the world of Christian music it is also a 'Letters to the
Editor Plus', because unlike a printed magazine, here not only can you start
conversations with the Magazine Editor, you can also do so with other readers.
You know, to exchange ideas, hear opinions other than your own, etc.
If you are NOT a Christian and you have been posting messages to get your
nonChristian feelings across, I am asking you to PLEASE find another echo/base
to do so in. 'R'OL is NOT the place. If you are a Christian, please consider
the person who will be receiving your message as you write it. This is not the
place for 'judging' each other by the music you listen to. This is an echo for
people who like/listen to Christian music to discuss various aspects of it. We
as Christians need to be standing together as one. Celebrating our
similiarities and accepting our differences.
If you have a problem with this and want to know why you must comply or find
another echo to express your views in Consider this: because I am the
moderator of this echo and I say so that's why and if that isn't enough for
you, than lets get down to what it is really all about, shall we? Read: 1Cor
12: 1226, Lk 6:4142, and 1Cor 13: 113).
It is my hope that this echo will continue to flourish with conversation that
is pleasing and helpful to all who read it. I would hope that all who are
currently participating, will continue to do so. I also want to thank all of
you who try to maintain peace here. Thank you from my heart.
In His Service,
Diane Gambino
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Msg: 3760 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 14:22:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: AL PETERSEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3753 (Re: LOOK WHO'S HERE)
What a great plug Al And for all t~rhe others who might not have realized that
you are the sysop of Bit Stop BBS, let me also include your 7187480977.
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Msg: 3761 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 14:34:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3755 (Re: STRYPER)
Amazing as it might seem, I have received private mail from socalled athiests
who read T'R'OL out of curiosity. The 2 names that come up from people who
consider themslves athiests the most often...let me rephrase that...with in
those messages, the artists whose names always come up are Steve Taylor and
Michael Card. Frankly, I don't know what to think esp about their interest in
Mike Card since he is usually very scriptural in what he has to say; however I
can see where they might think for a minute that Steve Taylor just might be on
their side, and whether they understand what he's really about or not, they
want to know more about him.
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Msg: 3762 ROCK ON LINE
07/17/89 21:13:00
From: AL PETERSEN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3760 (Re: LOOK WHO'S HERE)
Hi, Diane,{now I have gotton ahold of you here on FJ, thanks for the plug and
hopefully some of the users here will call my BBS 7187480977 24 hours at
300/1200/2400 bps with 2 plone lines at the present time.
BITSTop BBs Brooklyn NY. 7187480977
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Msg: 3763 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 12:32:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: BIRTHDAYS
Diane,
Just in case you or anyone else is interested :) MY birthday is November
21, 1938. Yeah, I'm getting on but still young at heart
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Msg: 3764 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 12:35:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR PL
Diane,
Well spoken sister I had noticed the trend, but felt it was not my place
to comment. Hope we can go back to enjoying each others' company.
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Msg: 3765 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 09:50:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3758 (Re: GOOD LUCK WITH GLAD)
(Just in case anyone out there is wondering...today is Pat
Mulcahy, sysop of Generic BBS, birthday)
Thank you. :)
Pat
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Msg: 3766 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 09:56:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOGETH
Would appreciate some scriptural support for this position.
I'd be happy to, Tim, but I don't play those games. And it does get to be a
game: "my biblical reference is better than yours."
It basically comes down to the fact that some people have a fundamentalist view
of Scripture. I don't. So either we argue our brains out, or we agree to
disagree.
Agreeing to disagree doesn't necessarily mean that the other person is
completely wrong, or that the other person is unChristian, or that the other
person doesn't know Scripture or the Lord.
Pat
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Msg: 3767 ROCK ON LINE
07/19/89 18:14:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3761 (Re: STRYPER)
Mike,
better watch your woe to this and woe to that or sometime someplace someone may
walk up to you and say " Woe, to you because you don't dress like I do."
In all honesty, do you really know what clothes Jesus would wear today. Would
it be a pinstripe 3 piece suit or maybe a sportjacket. I really don't know, I
must admit, STYRPER is not modest in their dress (My standard). However, I
don't think they are going to hell for their perceived immodesty. What about
the prophet (the name escapes me) who ran around the countryside without a
stich of clothing. Surely, everyone knew for sure if he was circumcised. I'm
sure the religious leaders went around searching Scripture to see if this guy
was for real. The point is, God led him to do that. Maybe I'm all wrong, (I
will admit I'm often wrong and I do accept the reasoning of others, as long as
I see it as reasonable.) but is it possible STRYPER has a call from God to be
the way they are? ( I may be stretching it a little here. This may be a
stretch, because if a group says they are called by God to be His
representative in an arena don't you think that the representative would try to
be more clear in their representation?)
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Msg: 3768 ROCK ON LINE
07/19/89 18:29:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3767 (Re: STRYPER)
Tim,
I must have missed your message. How long is too long?
I'll try to be civil in this matter? In my OPINION, stryper is not in sin as
outwardly signified by their hair. Tim, you have continually used a certain
Scripture, I believe, out of context. The Scripture in question is 1 Cor.
11:14. It states, "
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man have long hair, it is a
shame unto him?" First of all, the Scripture is about the custom of head
coverings for women. That Scripture is to help illustrate Paul's concern.
Notice, that Paul looks to nature, and not Scripture to show that he thinks
long hair on man is unnatural. Why? Because Paul knows that Scripture does
not say that long hair is a sin in all instances. As a matter of fact, part of
the Nazaritte vow was long hair ( at least for a season). Jesus himself was a
Nazaritte. Their is a good possibility that he had at one time in his
life....LONG HAIR. Anyway, back to the passage in verse 16 of the same chapterPaul says, "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, n
either the churches of God." The major point of this whole verse, is that Paul
calls it a CUSTOM, it is not a mandate from God, i.e. Scripture. The Churches
had that CUSTOM, Paul wished that it would stay that way, However, He did not
invoke a Scriptural command to short hair. If short hair were an indication of
someone's obedience to God, why would the Nazarittes be told to commit such a
sin? You know (I'm sure) that the debate the 1st century Christians had
concerning circumcision was basically a debate of legalism and true piety.
True piety does not cloth itself and in conformity to the legal statutes of
man, but rather to the truth of Christ. Tim, once you said that the point of
your comments about hair was that you wanted to show that STYPER could not obey
God in the most BASIC of Christs commands. I'm sorry, but hair length is not a
basic tenet or command of Christ. It is neither fundamental to salvation or
necessary for continued Christian growth. Tim, while you're cutting your hair
to the Christian length ( remember the old song, "They'll know we are
Christians by our hair.?") be creative and think of this verse. "Brothers, if I
am still preaching circumcision, whyam I still being persecuted? in that case
the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators, I wish
they would to the whole way and emasculate themselves" Gal. 5:11,12 ( I did
read vs.13. Tim, I'm concerned about your attitude. read vs 15 of Gal. 5 "If
you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed
by each other." I hope we don't destroy each other Tim. I don't think that
the hair business is as significant as you do. On the other hand, there is a
place for modesty.
Since, this whole thing came up to find out what we all thought of heavy metal
Christian music. Here's my two cents worth: TOO LOUD But may God bless those
who like it and are saved through it.
Bless you Tim,
mark
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Msg: 3769 ROCK ON LINE
06/26/89 20:20:00
From: DAVE BROWN
To: RON APPEL
Subj: Re: MIDISEQUENCING
My sequences could be, the trouble is, I have no way to send them to a
cassette, which is the only way you can load them to a MMT8. Unless you have
a Midi disk drive? Anyway, I've admired the K1. how do you like it?
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Msg: 3770 ROCK ON LINE
06/28/89 00:48:00
From: JASON WAIBEL
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOGE
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with it.
I feel that whoever opens up for them in concert is a band, just as is the
christian band. What that group is based on should not make much difference,
unless of course the band has satanic type influences..
But for just an average regular group to open for a christian group, I feel it
is fine, and will broaden the audience, and maybe draw more people to become
more involved or at least informed in religion.
JW
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Msg: 3771 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 09:45:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3763 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)
If today is your birthday or if your birthday is coming up...let us know ahead
of time so we can all wish you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY
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Msg: 3772 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 08:19:00
From: KEVIN ROY
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3754 (Re: AMY GRANT IN NYC)
does) in reality most in attendance of her shows are
Christians and they are outraged at the price of her
tickets.
Well I can vouch for that myself. I have seen that response quite a few
times. In fact the way things are going right now, I could NOT afford to
attend a concert that costed $17.50(+svc chg). Have you heard any
information as to why Amy(amp; Assoc.) decided such an outrageous price for
her concert?
]lt;evin
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Msg: 3773 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 18:05:00
From: PAUL KNUPKEJR
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3772 (Re: AMY GRANT IN NYC)
I don't think I'll be able to go, but I know several friends in my church
choir / youth group which I am sure plan to go. My sister would go but
cannot afford it at this time... I'd like to go myself..
Paul
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Msg: 3774 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 18:08:00
From: PAUL KNUPKEJR
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3768 (Re: STRYPER)
It is in refrence to there Hair. This man belives if you
don't cut your hair you are hell bound. The problem is he
won't say how long is long. ..Do you think he is a barber?
A small comment on this: I cannot see how people 'catoragize' people
with long hair as 'bad' or 'satanic' or likewise. Look at how people
duing Jesus' own time and their hair, (length etc). I'd like to know
where these people get these "hairbrianed ideas"..
Paul
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Msg: 3775 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 11:00:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WATTS
Subj: MUSICIANS
Tim, I hope that as you start to feel better you will become more active here
as I know that there are users who read this base who are aspiring Christian
musicians/si ngers/songwriters and I know that you have a great deal of
pastexperience type information that you can share with them.
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Msg: 3776 ROCK ON LINE
07/19/89 10:17:00
From: AL PETERSEN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: T'R'OL BASE.
Diane, in requset I am transposing my msg to you about what is going on on the
ROL base, and it is only my opinion.
This msg was posted on the BITSTop BBs,
;
;
Yes, I had to agree with what your other BBs SysOp's had to say
about the grossness (is that a real word? Hmmmm) of some of those
msgs.. Quite a few didn't even belong th the T'R'OL sig, it seemed
like the people were on a witch hunt more than engauging in a convo.
about Christian music. I don't know how the other BBs SysOp's run
their BBs or which type of software they are using, but here on the
BITStop I can either remove a msg. or transfer it to another sig
area. Some of the msgs. I have read should have been put in the
general area or a special sig called CHEAP SHOTS at THY NEIGHBOR
Al Petersen, SysOp, BITSTop BBs, Brooklyn NY 7187480977
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Msg: 3777 ROCK ON LINE
07/19/89 10:39:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3773 (Re: AMY GRANT IN NYC)
Amy's concerts are handled by a 'secular' management company. By that I mean
that even if you wanted to set up an interview wih her, you can't just call the
record company as you would with most other Christian music performers she is
kinds sorta a 'secular' Christian artist. Bascially, when you get down to it
all it really does is make life more difficult for journalists to get thru to
these people, etc.
In fact, just the other day I was talking to the head of publicity at Sparrow
Records. We were talking about the fact that just about 2 years ago, I got a
letter from Michael Card telling me that he had read a copy of T'R'OL and that
he liked it very much and agreed to be interviewed by me. He told me to set it
up with 'his ministry people' who handle that for him. I tried 4 different
times I even sent them a copy of the letter he had sent me they kept saying
that he was too busy.
I think I understand more about why there are so many people 'in charge' of one
Christian artist now that I have spoken to Trace amp; Joel Balin. It seems that
unless you are 'Amy Grant' in quotes, once you record the lp for the record
company, they stop publicity there. The rest is up to you so I guess artists
want as much exposure as possible to compete with everyone else that they hire
so many people and then there are many indians and few chiefs.
Ever since Amy started getting real popular she is handled by a fellow who has
offices in NY and Los Angeles which is not how most contemporary gospel artists
operate.
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Msg: 3778 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 01:53:00
From: MICHAEL HOLMAN
To: DAVE LEIBOLD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3731 (Re: DION)
Cliff did a film called Penny something it had a spiritual plot did anyone see
this. I think the video is at Christian Publications on 43rd and 8th.
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Msg: 3779 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 02:02:00
From: MICHAEL HOLMAN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: BALTIMORE IS BACK
By way of new artist, while at a music convention in philly, COGIC's UNAC to be
exact I met an artist called Andre Hudson. I was very impressed with his music
and bought one of his tapes. I had never heard of him before, but while
listening to his tape I sold that he had true commitment in his music to God.
Yes Artists are putting God first in there songs. Praise Him
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Msg: 3780 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 07:43:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3488 (QUESTION)
Diane,
For almost a year, I have been looking for the sheet music to a song I have
occasionally heard on WMBI in Chicago. I have no idea why it took me so long
to figure out that right here is the logical place to ask
I have heard this song done by both a female vocalist and possibly a quartet
or vocal ensemble. In all cases I have missed the artist, and even the
"official" name of the song. The opening line of the chorus is, "Praise the
Lord, He never changes ..." I'd love to find the sheet music, as the harmonies
are beautiful and modern. It would make a great choir piece Anyone recognize
this song? Thanks in advance.
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Msg: 3781 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 13:04:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: ALL
Subj: LARRY NORMAN ABLUMS
I have really appreciated over the years Larry Norman's music. I am presently
looking for some of his old albums. In particular, "Streetlevel" and
"bootleg." Also, if anyone knows the whereabouts of any of his two PEOPLE
ablums, I would like to hear from you. THANKS, mark
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Msg: 3782 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 08:47:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3778 (Re: DION)
I am not sure which one you are referring to. I have seen one something about
the subways, but since I don't listen to top 40 radio stations I don't know
which is the latest off the Dion lp.
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Msg: 3783 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 08:51:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3774 (Re: STRYPER)
I don't think that a Michael Card or Keith Green video would ever make it to
where MTV might decide to carry it. However, Damp;K are Christian hardrockers who
have a large following. Frankly, I don'T know HOW they got selected for airing
on MTV but it resulted in the song 666 being reshot (the video) that is into a
better visual interpretation the group themselves thought so and I (having
seen both) agree.
Makes me realize that the Lord how much the Lord isn't limited and how He can
work good from any situation.
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Msg: 3784 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 08:53:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3729 (Re: PETRA)
I know the one you mean. It is good. And I really like THIS MEANS WAR
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Msg: 3785 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 08:55:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3771 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)
Whenever anyone tells you you're old (think of it this way) we in Christ live
forever so even when we're in our 60's and 70's and 80's we're still just
babes. Everything is relevant. from 1 to forever 60 or even 80 is closer to 1
than it is to forever.
The above might sound weird but if you think about it, the way the Lord does
nah you're not old Doug
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Msg: 3786 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 08:57:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3764 (Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR PL)
Please speak up anytime you feel like it.
And another thing I would like to tell you and everyone else here is please
don't feel you must respond to every message, even if it is flagged for you lt;.
I don't want anyone here feeling badly about logging on here...this is NOT the
intention of the echo.
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Msg: 3787 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 20:52:00
From: KEVIN ROY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3782 (Re: DION)
Well like I said, so far you have not even touched on the lyrical content
of his new album. You are saying that because he is now a "secular"
musician, he is no longer of God no matter what he sings about.
I will not comment any more on the DION issue mainly because I do not have
the facts and you have already made up your mind.
I hope since you are so caught up in not being "of this world" that you do
not hold a secular job, drive a secular car, watch secular television, read
secular newspapers, wear secular clothing, etc.......
]lt;evin
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Msg: 3788 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 21:03:00
From: KEVIN ROY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: WHAT?
Tim,
As you know this is a SIG for people who enjoy and listen to some type
of Christian music. Yet, so far I have only seen you tear down a few
Christian groups. SO, please enlighten us with a more positive message,
like maybe WHAT GROUPS DO YOU LIKE AND LISTEN TO AND WHY?????
]lt;evin
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Msg: 3789 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 14:49:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3783 (Re: STRYPER)
In one message you are thanking me...
in the next message you're asking me if I am for real?
Yes, I am for real. How about you?
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Msg: 3790 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 14:59:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DAVE LEIBOLD
Subj: Re: JOYFUL SOUNDS/COUNTY LINE NEWS
What is county lines?
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Msg: 3791 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 15:01:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 2163 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
I have heard of MASTEDON. But I cannot remember what I have heard about them or
if I have heard them sing. Are they heavy metal?
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Msg: 3792 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 15:06:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: Re: DOGS OF DOGMA
Tim, need I remind you...this is an echo on CHRISTIAN MUSIC any other
conversation does not belong on this echo.
Thanks.
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Msg: 3793 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 15:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: Re: MORE INVOLVEMENT
Actually, the areas that I would like this echo to discuss for the CHristian
music industry to see/know about include things like whether Glad should do
another a capella type lp or whether all of Rez's music should be considered
heavy metal. That's along the lines of the involvement I was talking about.
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Msg: 3794 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 15:13:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: SHELBY WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3784 (Re: PETRA)
Shelby hello Welcome to this base. Since it sure looks as though you haven't
read what it is all about, let me be the first to tell you that it is about and
for people who enjoy CHristian music...it is about people who are being lead to
God by music ministries and Christian singers....
from the sound of your message, I don't think that this is the place where you
should be leaving your comments.
I have to think of the rest of the people here, those I consider a Christian
fellowship of believers who are in favor of the music.
I have spent enough messages explaining what this base is all about. Please be
the type of person I am sure you are and don't leave messages that you and I
know the people on this echo will not appreciate.
Thank you.
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Msg: 3795 ROCK ON LINE
07/21/89 06:58:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3785 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)
Diane,
Thank you for those words of wisdom. As I said, most of the time I don't
FEEL old, except maybe early Monday mornings. :)
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Msg: 3796 ROCK ON LINE
07/21/89 16:30:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: THANKS
Diane,
I just wanted to let you know that I have appreciated this echo. I really
enjoy Christian music and the diversity they bring to the Christian community.
I know that this echo has been used for some pretty silly discussions. ( I
have at times jumped in on these) I just want to apologize for using this echo
to air my frustrations at those who do not enjoy or even consider Christian
some of the artists who may be discussed on this echo. Again, I really have
enjoyed some of the discussions on this echo. Mark Kilcoyne
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Msg: 3797 ROCK ON LINE
07/21/89 11:46:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DAVE BROWN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3769 (Re: MIDISEQUENCING)
I for one am not familiar with the term 'sequenced', could you please explain
it? Thanks
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Msg: 3798 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 11:48:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3796 (Re: THANKS)
Mark THANK YOU and everyone else who keeps on supporting this echo. Yes, I know
what you mean about jumping in. There were times when I have wanted to do the
same. Some people might misinterpret why I don't usually do that...this is not
a catchall for everyone, but I contemplate on the 'quiet strength' of Jesus
alot of the time. There were so many times that He knew he was right and yet He
didn'T say anything...and most times I try to be like that some people might
consider that to be a sign of weakness or defeat however, I consider it a
sign of strengh. Just because you feel you're right, if saying it can start WW3
it is strengh that makes you walk away. Strengh and prays. If anyone thinks
that I don't pray about this echo...let me set them straight now...I do
Now, let me explain my sentiments insofar as, I don't want you to feel badly
because you jumped right in...in fact, I am so glad you did.
There's a song that I love. It is sung by Trace Balin and called "We Are An
Army". Boy That one and even her other song, "We Need Each Other" fit into
this echo recently. I want to thank you ALL for standing up for what you
believe in....what this echo stands for, and what I try to bring forth thru it.
My hope is that we can ALL continue to be on it...only some of us might makenote that our beliefs/feelings no matter how much we believe that we are right
and this is the way for all to go...it doesn'T give us the right to keep
writing about it, even after the majority want us to stop
Again...thanks for showing your support Please keep posting messages
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Msg: 3799 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 12:07:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: A LITTLE LATE
The anniversary issue will be a little late in coming out...only because I am
expecting some information from a record company that hasn't yet arrived...that
was due to the fact the the CBA held it's annual convention last week.
Anyway, when it comes out you'll be able to read the funny contest winners from
the "PLEASE DON'T SEND ME TO AFRICA" contest from the Scott Wesley Brown song
of the same name.
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Msg: 3800 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 12:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: FORUM
The new column for the magazine will be introduced in the forth coming
Anniversary issue...it will include edited messages from this base so some of
you will get to see your name in the issue.
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Msg: 3801 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 12:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: INTERVIEWS...
I got them in the mail. Thanks.
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Msg: 3802 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 14:34:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALPINE
Subj: YOUR ONLINE ADDRESS
Alpine, is there a way that I can send you netmail? Do you use any Fidonet
bbses? If so, please let me know their net/node . Thanks.
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Msg: 3803 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 11:50:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3781 (Re: LARRY NORMAN ABLUMS)
Mark, I am including your message in the upcoming issue of the magazine. Since
I know that it is read (the magazine that is) by Larry's record company,
perhaps someone over there will fill me in on some info that I can pass along
to you.
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Msg: 3804 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 11:53:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3780 (Re: QUESTION)
I don't....sorry Doug. If only you had some more info... want to hear
something funny? I was in the same predicament a few years back (I even sang
the verse in a Christian bookstore. The woman thought I was bonkers) the
opening line of my song was "I am not my own, I belong to you" so I thought the
name of it was "I am not my own" and I also thought it was sung by a male. It
turned out to be called (and I learned this accidentally thru T'R'OL) "I Belong
to You" by KATHY Tricoli. Kathy has a deep voice.
Do you know anymore of the song? Perhaps someone else might know it? How about
Pat (Mulcahy) he sings ina choir.
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Msg: 3805 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 11:59:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3791 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
I am trying to track down info on MASTEDON from their record company. If I have
any, I'll print it in the magazine.
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Msg: 3806 ROCK ON LINE
07/23/89 12:17:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: GREG SLADE
Subj: Re: RANDY STONEHILL
Awhile back you left a message about Randy Stonehill. I have been trying to get
hold of someone who represents him or his manager or someway to get more info
about him in the magazine. If you find out anything please let me know. If I
do, I'll post what I know here.
Ok?
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Msg: 3807 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 07:57:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3804 (Re: QUESTION)
Diane,
Thanks for the reply. I can relate to your experience, I did the same
thing You figure anyone can recognize the tune when you sing the first two
bars right? Oh well, someone may recognize it yet.
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Msg: 3808 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 04:56:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3802 (Re: YOUR ONLINE ADDRESS)
Alpine is at 8:7703/5 in the NETwork. But if you aren't running a
NETwork nodelist on your system, he will be hard to reach. What you should be
able to do is address it to him at 8:7703/5 and then ROUTE the netmail to that
address through 1:104/18 (that's me). My system will hopefully pass it right
along to him.
Can't hurt to try it at least.
Daniel
Sysop (1:104/18) lt; (8:7703/1)
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Msg: 3849 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 07:27:24
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3473 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
No I do not assume that the whole audience listening to Stryper is Christian.
On the contrary, my assumption most are not, but for the few who say they are
followers of Christ, yes they will adore and praise GOD and GOD alone and
appear to be set apart from the world. This the FIRST requirement that Jesus
laid down for those who commmit to HIM.
Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: "If anyone
comes to me and does not HATE his father and mother, his wife and children, his
brothers and sistersyes, even his own lifeHE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE. And
anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. (Luke
14:2527)
Did you notice the "large crowds" were traveling with Jesus, but then Jesus
himself clearly stated how GOD considers us lovers of GOD, by hating our very
own family, and yes even our very own lives. Because he knew we must die to
our concepts of love, and selfesteem and surrender totally to GOD.
we don't have to limit our love only towards him.
So how do we get around these words: The LORD your God will circumcise your
hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with ALL
YOUR HEART and with ALL YOUR SOUL, and live. (Deuteronomy 30:6) and... Love
the LORD your God with ALL YOUR HEART and with ALL YOUR SOUL and with ALL YOUR
STRENGTH. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts.
Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when
you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as
symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the
doorframes of your houses and on your gates. (Deuteronomy 6:59)
Notice please that GOD wants A L L of our hearts, not a fraction their of. And
that our relationship with GOD becomes more of OBEDIENCE to HIS loving
commands. HIS promise is that we will live. Do not merely listen to the word,
and so deceive yourselves. DO WHAT IT SAYS. (James 1:22)
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will
love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who DOES NOT
LOVE ME WILL NOT OBEY MY TEACHING . These words you hear are not my own; they
belong to the Father who sent me. (John 14:2324)
Jesus is worthy of all our love, don't you agree? Terri
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Msg: 3850 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 07:42:51
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3488 (Re: QUESTION)
Ken the scripture applies to all of us. He who has an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to
eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)
Oops, I forget you're not the religious type. Well.. He told them, "The secret
of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside
everything is said in parables so that, "`they may be ever seeing but never
perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn
and be forgiven' " (Mark 4:1112) Love, Terri
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Msg: 3854 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 13:18:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3789 (Re: STRYPER)
Just wanted to point out, Yeshua/Jesus, was a Nazorite [sp], but not of
Nazoretic vow, two different things. However...In Torah, all Jews could take a
Nazoretic vow, in fact Paul did in Acts. Then there were Nazoretic vow people
from birth, as in Sampson. It involved if I remember correctly, shaving the
head, growing your hair for one year, then shaving your head again at the end
of the year/vow. Of course this would be differant than being dedicated
permantly to a nazoretic vow.
Yeshua was a Nazoreen [sp]. from Nazoreth [sp].
Shalom
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07/27/89 08:18:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3723 (Re: POOTERS)
Well their ARE people on this board who are on quest ya know
Yes, i know my message was very wierd to say ther least but hey we need more
people to post thier...
Hey why dont you call th quest and post on the sports board?????
later...
King Caspian,....the...
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Msg: 3856 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 09:55:02
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3794 (Re: PETRA)
HELLO DIANE SORRY BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE THAT WAS NOT GOOD WHAT I
WROTE WAS ASKING JEFF WATNEMOE WHY WOULD KIDS ATMY SCHOOL A PUBLIC SCHOOL
LISTENING TO PEETRA YOU WOULD NOT THINK THEY WOULD LISTEN TO THAT CHRISTAIN
MUSIC SO I WAS ASKING IF HE NEW WHY BECAUSE HE ENJOYS PETRA. PLEASE ANSWER,
THANKS SHELBY
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Msg: 3857 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 10:07:35
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3856 (PETRA)
HI AGAIN I KNOW THAT YOU LIKE PETRA I LIKE THEIR OLD MUSIC IT WAS GOOD AND
I WAS WOUNDERING IF YOU LIKE THEIR OLD MUSIC OR THEIR NEW MUSIC/ I BELIVE THAT
THEIR NEW MUSIC IS NOT FROM GOD AND I KNOW YOU SAID ONLY WRITE ABOUT THE MUSIC
PEOPLE LIKE .. BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO WARN PEOPLE FROM THE WRONG TYPES OF
GROUPS.. LIKE JEFF AND HE WROTE BACK SAYING HE DID NOT LISTEN TO NEW PETRA
ONLY OLD.
MUCH GRACE AND PEACE, SHELBY
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Msg: 3860 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 12:38:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3757 (Re: TEST)
The QUEST is up 24hours a day, 7 days a week.
Telephone: (303) 4294617
Area: Denver metro
Interests: Christian, Sports, Military, Education, OnLine Games
Systems: All (Files: MSDOS only)
SysOps: Allen Polson amp; Jason Johnson
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Msg: 3861 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 12:40:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3854 (Re: STRYPER)
I would like to see more nonChristians take an interest in Christian artists
like Mike and Steve Taylor. If they get hooked on their music maybe the words
will sink in. They usually carry a good message.
Allen (Alpine)
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Msg: 3862 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 12:41:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3808 (Re: YOUR ONLINE ADDRESS)
Our net/node address is 7703/5 with an area of 8. Midrash and Daniel Segard
have been helping us get our echo areas in place.
Allen
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Msg: 3863 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 12:49:00
From: ALPINE
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3860 (TEST)
The QUEST is here in Denver, CO; a mile above the rest of you guys
We have a multipurpose system, including CHristian message areas as well as a
large files area for Christians. We have about 125 regular users and are based
in a Christian school.
Allen amp; Jason SysOp's
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Msg: 3864 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 13:00:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3749 (Re: FREE MUSIC)
What about the possibility of giving away tapes to SysOp's who have the most
callers to the ROL echo during a short period, like a week. Or do a Name That
Tune contest, but instead of music use the first couple or words from the
chorus or first line of a song, and let other try to guess the title or
performer. Or use a Wheel of Fortune format, with blanks and some filled
letters of a song title to guess, or even groups or performers names. A more
involved game could include a Jeopardy format where categories need to picked
and then the answers are given, and we would need to guess the question.
Just a few to think about
Allen
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Msg: 3865 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 13:04:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3863 (Re: TEST)
The QUEST does support 300/1200 baud. Forgot to include it in the other
message.
Allen
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Msg: 3866 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 13:11:00
From: ALPINE
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3850 (Re: QUESTION)
Isn't that one of Evie Tornquist (Premarriage name) songs, recorded probably
ten years ago?
Allen
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Msg: 3869 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 21:44:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3861 (Re: STRYPER)
A better question is whether Jesus, Himself, wore the type of clothing that
"the world" wore at that time. Since it seems unlikely that He wore nothing or
that he wore anything unusual (no evidence) then perhaps there are some whom
would declare Jesus "worldly." An interesting idea, eh?
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Msg: 3870 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 21:57:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: RYAN PAGE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3746 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)
Hodge Podge? As in Breathed's "Hodge Podge?" ;)
Ryan, you might expect a message that will inform you that your aggravation is
actually the result of "conviction," another misdefinition, since we know that
if we are convicted by the Holy Spirit the result is generally repentance, not
anger or aggravation (at least, not in my experience).
I must confess that I have never heard of a couple of the groups that you
mentions. As I said, I don't pay a lot of attention to Christian "metal"
simply because it does not appeal to my tastes. Even the Sound Doctrine, as
well as others on this echo, DO make a valid point in asking if the lifestyles
of certain groups or individuals can be indicative of their true spiritual
state at the moment. I'm sure you will agree with this, as well. Though my
point was that the music in and of itself is not necessarily evil just because
certain groups say it is, if Stryper does indeed (and I have no evidence so I
am speaking hypothetically) conduct their lifestyles in a manner inconsistent
with Scripture (i.e., illicit sex, drugs, alcoholism) then they are, as a
minimum, hypocritical, wouldn't you say?
On the other hand, I have a problem with people who declare soandso "not a
Christian" just because their music may appeal to some unBelievers whom never
come to Christ as a result of listening to their recordings. Shucks, even Billy
Graham and Jerry Falwell do not get EVERY sinner in the building to answer an
altar call.
Thanks for the response. Keep up the good Word (chuckle).
Dave
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Msg: 3871 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 17:33:30
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3791 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
kind a like whitecross. Maybe a bit more refined in the production end. They
are very good K.B.
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07/27/89 17:41:16
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3805 (Re: NEW MUSIC)
The producers are John and Dino Elefante.(Regency music). I have a friend who
works for Spectra records and he gives me some info on new music and he has
turned me on to a few pre release cuts. Qstone very hot Also Whitecross will
have a new one very soon.. Diane don't forget IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE GOD
BLESS K.B.
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Msg: 3876 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 02:43:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: KING CASPIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3855 (Re: POOTERS)
Well their ARE people on this board who are on quest ya know
I realize that, but most of the readers of this area are spread across
areas other than Denver. As such, your message would have been better in your
local area.
Hey why dont you call th quest and post on the sports board?????
Because I have nothing to say in regards to sports, so my message would
be off topic. lt;grin The topic here is Contemporary Christian Music. Let's
stick to that topic.... Thanks.
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Msg: 4119 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 01:18:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3472 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)
So you're saying that we can play rock and roll as long as our heart is in the
right place, right? If so, then you're saying it IS alright to listen to
Stryper and therefore Stryper is right in what they're doing.
You're main point is that when we do something that it is right if our heart is
in the right place, or am i missing something? So, then, Stryper is doing
God's work...... it's as simple as that
/s
Steve
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Msg: 4121 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 01:36:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3869 (Re: STRYPER)
I seriously doubt that Stryper will lose their tight pants, unless the style
wears out. If they did, they would lose their nonchristian audience to the
point where they'd become as useless in the War against Satan as Petra and Amy
Grant. But, hey, no one ever said you have to like Stryper. I just don't like
people like you trying to tell them how to win people to Christ. How many
people have YOU led to Christ? I bet they've toasted you on that one
Steve
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Msg: 4122 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 01:39:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4121 (Re: STRYPER)
Man, how do you know how Stryper live their lives? You don't know any one of
them any more than Ronald Reagan Quit judging them, and start admiring them
for their battles won in the War against Satan Maybe you could learn a
lesson or two.
Steve
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Msg: 4123 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 01:43:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4122 (Re: STRYPER)
Have you ever thought that maybe Michael Sweet happens to like his hair long?
or maybe it fits with his clothes (style). Who are you to say that he is
wearing his hear long as a rebellion? Why don't you let him worry about that?
Even if he is, will it make a whole lot of difference in the end?
Steve
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Msg: 4124 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 01:47:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3743 (Re: JESUS' HAIR)
You're right, Jesus was "different" than the "men of the times". Well, wht do
you know? Michael Sweet is quite "different" from most nonchristians I know.
And I am quite "different" from a lot of people. Wow, most everyone is
"different" from everyone else neat, huh?
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Msg: 4125 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 01:57:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3786 (Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR PL)
I am relatively new to this echo, and am wondering about the magazine you are
referring to. Could you give me some more info about what this echo is about?
Thanks
Steve Schram
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Msg: 4126 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 02:01:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3795 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)
What a coincidence Today is my birthday Yippee the big 18 I'm so happy
Steve
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Msg: 4127 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 02:22:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4126 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)
18? Oh, my Just a pup
Happy birthday, Steve
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Msg: 4128 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 02:25:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4123 (Re: STRYPER)
I bet they've toasted you on that one
Without meaning to be derisive, Steve, I think that this is hardly a fair
comment. Are we in competition to see how many souls we can (with the help of
the Spirit) lead to Christ? I don't think so; and I'm sure that this is not
what you meant, right?
Dave
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Msg: 4410 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 15:07:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4128 (Re: STRYPER)
When the antiChrist comes I am sure that they will know who he is and will
continue to sing for the one, true saving Lord, Jesus Christ.
As I have said before, Stryper has Heavy MEtal imagery to have an
identification point with heavy metallers. It is IMAGERY. They have a challenge
that says put up the goods that they drink, sleep around, do drugs or SHUT UP
(I hope that doesn't sound too rude.) Steve Green is not going to save a
thrasher by singing his mellow music (I do like Steve Green, by the way).
Stryper is called to a dark area of music to be a light of Christ, where others
can't reach. And Stryper isn't the only group out there too. There is Ruscha,
Jerusalem, Bloodgood, BArren Cross, White Cross, Neon Cross, Vengeance and
more. All are there to do the work of Christ, plain and simple.
Jon
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Msg: 4412 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 15:13:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3857 (Re: PETRA)
Wasn't Rick Cua with Kansas too?
Jon
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Msg: 4442 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 16:29:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3876 (Re: POOTERS)
Okay, sorry.
Just a suggestion all well..
later, guy..
King Caspian
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Msg: 4468 ROCK ON LINE
07/28/89 18:16:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3866 (Re: QUESTION)
That's right...you guys think that anyone who does not believe as you do
doesn't understand...right? Sounds familiar.
ka
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Msg: 4513 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 17:42:00
From: DEBBIE CLEMENT
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3865 (Re: TEST)
The name of my board is Firm Foundation CfC6, at (402)5924840, running at
3/12/2400 baud, 24hrs a day.
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Msg: 4514 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 10:24:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3399 (Re: AMY GRANT)
Amy is still actively involved in her church in Nashville, amp; under submission
to her pastor.
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Msg: 4515 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 16:35:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: ALL
Subj: RELIEF
I am soooooooo glad this controversy is finally over. I was really getting
upset by the things the Williams' were saying......that's why you haven't heard
from me for a while. I suppose if I appeared in their 'churchI'd be kicked
out,....my hair is a tad on the long side I suppose, but doesn't that have more
to do with the world and it's styles than God? Has peace finally come to this
board?
Chris |lt;.
by the way, anyone know where I could get a hold of some Larry Norman
albums.......I've been trying to find some of his older stuff and am having a
real difficult time of it
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Msg: 4516 ROCK ON LINE
07/25/89 18:11:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4515 (Re: RELIEF)
You can get old Larry Norman albums from Larry himself in California. Did you,
by the way, hear Larry last week on my show? We played his new release in its
entirety.
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07/25/89 09:10:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: BASH IN THE CODE
1;EID:f280 12f9494b
What kind of music are they? where they from? etc.
Cathy.
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07/26/89 11:05:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4516 (Re: RELIEF)
Do you know the names of the albums. I know of a few distributors I can check
with for you.
Cathy.
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Msg: 4519 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 15:39:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4517 (Re: BASH IN THE CODE)
The name is Bash 'N The Code. Their modern op. It's hard to describe them in
comparison to a secular band, because I don't listen much to secular music.
Not too far from Madonna's style. Their last album was aptly titled BIG MOUTH.
I've used their material for roller skating nights, and some softer titles on
the show.
They are on Myrrh label.
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Msg: 4520 ROCK ON LINE
07/26/89 23:06:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: ROB GREEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4519 (Re: BASH IN THE CODE)
Thanks I had heard of them and seen their tapes but I was afraid to think of
what they are like.
Cathy.
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Msg: 4521 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 23:52:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3797 (Re: MIDISEQUENCING)
] I for one am not familiar with the term 'sequenced', could you please
] explain it? Thanks
]
lt;Excuse my butting in
MIDI sequencing is used lt;usualy with a computer to develop tracks prior to
recording. Like I can develop my drum track on ch 10, put other MIDI units
(keyboards, drum machines, MIDI guitar) on the other remaining MIDI channels.
That way I can develop a compleate score like you would with a multi track tape
machine, and I can edit each channel (or track if you want to call them)
without having to play the track over. Saves lots of bucks because I can do the
whole score, hear it, tweak it, and finally run over to the studio to get it on
tape. I am in the studio for about 10 hours instead of a week.
Mike
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Msg: 4522 ROCK ON LINE
07/27/89 07:31:00
From: JOHN BURDEN
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3787 (Re: DION)
Tim, I think this has veered a way from the header but at least it will enable
folks to follow the message thread .....
I've read a few messages from you which are highly critical of others, for
their music, the way they dress, etc. You even reckon you know their hearts.
But I say to you know that it is God who knows their hearts, He is the one who
will judge, not you or me.
I regard myself as a fundamentalist in the true sense of the word, not the
parody of it that is paraded around in some quarters these days. But I cannot
identify with what you are saying and I think that goes for just about every
other user of this echo. Why don't you do us (and you) a favour by taking your
views off to another echo? I'm sure there must be one somewhere that suits.
Sorry to sound so abrasive but just once in a while, I get fed up with the
bilge that I see posted in echomail by folks who quite clearly don't identify
with the echo or its purpose.
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord,
John.
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Msg: 4545 ROCK ON LINE
07/29/89 08:49:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4119 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)
later,
scott schram]
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Msg: 4942 ROCK ON LINE
07/30/89 02:43:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4125 (Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR PL)
You can read the past 6 months of the RockOnLine magazine over here. I
have forwarded the incoming magazine to the Quest as they come in, but I don't
know if your sysops have posted them or not.
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Msg: 5163 ROCK ON LINE
07/30/89 02:16:00
From: SETH MARTIN
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4513 (TEST)
Thanks Mike for the reply.
Seth
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Msg: 5623 ROCK ON LINE
07/30/89 11:17:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4410 (Re: STRYPER)
No, that's not what I meant, but don't you think that you need to be less
critical of Stryper since they ARE doing the Lord's work?
Steve
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Msg: 5625 ROCK ON LINE
07/30/89 11:28:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3726 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)
Yes, God deserves all of our love He is truly wonderful I still don't
believe that if you love God with all your heart you can't love anyone else.
The scriptures that you quoted: Luke 14:2527 I believe you have misinterpreted
or taken out of context. I don't have time online to look them up, but will
get back to you. O.k.?
Steve
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Msg: 5628 ROCK ON LINE
07/30/89 11:37:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: ROB GREEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4514 (Re: AMY GRANT)
Amy is still actively involved in her church in Nashville, amp; under
submission to her pastor.
that is indeed good to know (not that I doubted it in the least) She is
indeed very close to God
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Msg: 5630 ROCK ON LINE
07/30/89 22:18:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5623 (Re: STRYPER)
Excuse me? Where have I been critical of Stryper? As I recall, I was speaking
hypothetically. In what message was I directly critical of Stryper?
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Msg: 5825 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 02:45:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4517 (Re: BASH IN THE CODE)
They are from cal; they are more up beat but not hard rock, eir lyric are very
good. very good production they have a heart for outreach.. I would say you
would not go wrong getting it.
ALSO I just got a new one from a group called Arcade, with this one you are
going to get a real blessing from. Produced by Tommy Coomes of Maranatha music
fame.. 5 stars with 4 being the highest
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Msg: 5829 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:47:03
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: DION
Diane,
I hope this question is not out of line, but did you ever get a chance to talk
to Dion's manger? If so, what did they have to save.
Thanks,
Tim
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Msg: 5830 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:47:37
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: ROB GREEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3245 (AMY GRANT)
Msg: 9092 ROCK ON LINE
07/24/89 10:24:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6883 (RE: AMY GRANT)
Amy is still actively involved in her church in Nashville,
amp; under submission to her pastor.
Is that Don Finto at the Belmont Church in Nashville?
Thanks,
Tim
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Msg: 5831 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:48:45
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: JOHN BURDEN
Subj: LEAVE IN PEACE (?)
Sorry to sound so abrasive but just once in a while,
I get fed up with the bilge that I see posted in echomail
by folks who quite clearly don't identify
with the echo or its purpose.
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord,
John.
John,
Did I identify with the "purpose" or not? Please read the following message
that was sent to me and tell me if I was on target or not
Msg: 3101 ROCK ON LINE 07/09/89 14:34:00 From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd) Subj: RE: DION
Does your message also apply to people like Amy Grant, who has taken
her success to the 'other side' of music? And people like Deniece
Williams who started out in secular music and when she became famous
demanded that she be able to record gospel/adult contemporary
Christian music as well? (I am asking you the above questions not to light
fire here but to start a forum of discussion. I think that it is time
these pertinent musical questions and ideas are discussed.)
Thanks for your input.
I was "THANKED" for my "IMPUT".
Sorry that so many are offended at the Word of God.
You may want to listen to the words in some of to Michael Cards songs,
"A rock that makes men stumble...."
Tim
JOH 6:60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard
teaching. Who can accept it?" JOH 6:61 Aware that his disciples were
grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? JOH 6:62
What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before JOH 6:63 The
Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you
are spirit and they are life.
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Msg: 5832 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:49:57
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: KEITH GREEN
From: DIANE GAMBINO
Mg: 7974 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 7965 (RE:STRYPER)
I don't think that a Michael Card or Keith Green video
would ever make it to where MTV might decide to carry
it. However, Damp;K are Christian hard rockers who have a
large following. Frankly, I don'T know HOW they got
selected for airing on MTV but it resulted in the song
666 being reshot (the video) that is into a better
visual interpretation the group themselves thought so
and I (having seen both) agree. Makes me realize that
the Lord how much the Lord isn't limited and how He
can work good from any situation.
Diane,
The reason Damp;K got accepted is because they are like the world. The reason
Keith Green and Michael Card wouldn't get accepted is because they are too
pure. It's that simple.
Ephesians 5:59 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy
personsuch a man is an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of
Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of
such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do
not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are
light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light
consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
Makes me realize that the Lord how much the Lord isn't
limited and how He can work good from any situation.
Diane,
Where did this notion ever come from that impurity, worldliness, and
being rebellious to God's Word will bring people to Jesus?
Matthew 23:15 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he
becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
II Peter 2:1722 These men are springs without water and mists driven by
a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty,
boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human
nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in
error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of
depravityfor a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they
have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are
worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have
been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to
have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was
passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its
vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
More
limited and how He can work good from any situation.
You may be right to a small degree. No doubt there are some few who will
come to know Jesus as a pure and holy God. But the men themselves will go to
hell. For just as Balaam was used by God, (and it broght sin in the camp), so
too God work good. But apart of His good will be to send these men to "BLACKEST
DARKNESS". While pure singers will shine like stars in Jesus
I Corinthians 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that
after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the
prize.
(NO NEED TO RESPOND TO THIS. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THIS KIND
OF SCRIPTURAL ISSUE ON ROCK ON LINE)
Much grace, (really)
Tim
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Msg: 5833 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:51:21
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REMIND ME (?)
Msg: 7983 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 15:06:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3336 (RE: DOGS OF DOGMA)
Tim, need I remind you...this is an echo on CHRISTIAN
MUSIC any other conversation does not belong on
this echo.
Thanks.
Diane,
I am confused. When did I discuss anything that did not relate to "CHRISTIAN
MUSIC"? Maybe you meant this message for DAVE HORN or KEN ACTON. Please show
or remind me where we have not discussed the issue of CHRISTIAN MUSIC and I
will gladly repent Say, everyone out there.........how come you didn't send
and whole slew of message to DAVE or KEN? They certainly got off tract?
Kinda gives a whole new meaning to the word hypocrisy. Doesn't it
Msg: 7984 ROCK ON LINE
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 3334 (RE: MORE INVOLVEMENT)
Actually, the areas that I would like this echo to
discuss for the Christian music industry to see/know
about include things like whether Glad should do
another a capella type lp or whether all of Rez's
music should be considered heavy metal. That's along
the lines of the involvement I was talking about.
While I will honor your idea to only post what others agree too, you do
remember ....
......encouraging me........ to go deeper than a "mush" Christian talk
.don't you??........ From what I gather you are saying is that anyone who
calls themselves a Christian band is accepted? Suppose the Doobie Brothers are
ok? After all they say, "JESUS IS JUST ALRIGHT BY ME" After all the words are
right? Jesus is ok Never mind that everyone was undressed on the inside
cover of the album. Like I said though I will post only postive comments.
Msg: 3101 ROCK ON LINE
07/09/89 14:34:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: RE: DION
Does your message also apply to people like Amy
Grant, who has taken her success to the 'other side'
of music? And people like Deniece Williams who
started out in secular music and when she became
famous demanded that she be
able to record gospel/adult contemporary Christian
music as well? (I am asking you the above questions
not to light fire here but to start a forum of discussion. I think that it is time these pertinent
More
musical questions and ideas are discussed.)
Thanks for your input.
You also "thanked" me for raising the question about Dion. Do you remember?
Now, since others are offended by a discussion of scripture concerning
CHRISTIAN MUSIC you want me to shut up. So be, I will post only positive
songs and announcements. (Hope you sent a personal message to those who
discussed Sound Doctrine on this board. Or are they allowed because they talk
negative about what you agree with too?)
(I am asking you the above questions not to light
fire here but to start a forum of discussion. I think
that it is time these pertinent musical
questions and ideas are discussed.)
You asked for the "FIRE" to start. By the way that is a very biblical thing
to want. You also wrote to me that "IT IS TIME THESE PERTINENT MUSICAL
QUESTIONS AND IDEAS" are discussed. So we did. Then the fire started to get
too hot and you seem to want to please men rather than God. And not only do
that, but BLAME me for causing the trouble
Galatians 1:10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am
I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a
servant of Christ.
Much grace to you,
Tim
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Msg: 5834 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:52:13
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: FOR REAL
Msg: 7980 ROCK ON LINE
07/20/89 14:49:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 7974 (RE: STRYPER)
In one message you are thanking me...
in the next message you're asking me if I am for real?
Yes, I am for real. How about you?
Diane,
Why so defensive? Why I said "ARE YOU FOR REAL", I was not being smart
with you. What I said was, "ARE YOU FOR REAL THAT MTV" did that to Damp;K. I
was agreeing with you I was saying "ARE YOU FOR REAL" to MTV ...not... you
Please don't be taken in by others attitudes who seem unwilling or
unable to discuss scripture without getting defensive. There are a lot
of people who are merely "YES MEN" in Jesus. They love anyone who tells
them what they want to hear. Otherwise they kick them out.
As scripture says...
Micah 2:11 If a liar and deceiver comes and says, `I will prophesy
for you plenty of wine and beer,' he would be just the prophet for this
people
Micah 3:5 This is what the LORD says: "As for the prophets who
lead my people astray, if one feeds them, they proclaim `peace'; if he does
not, they prepare to wage war against him.
Yes, I did thank, and still do, even though you appear not to hold to what
you said earlier. I thanked you because you welcomed impute about music. Not
just was itching ears want to hear.
Much grace to you,
Tim
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Msg: 5835 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:53:20
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: HAIR
Mark,
You have need to read the scripture on long hair and coverings again. Paul is
NOT saying that they don't have a custom... he is saying they have "NO OTHER
CUSTOM". That is in "ALL" the churches the men have short hair and the women
wear coverings.
I Corinthians 11:1416 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a
man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair,
it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants
to be contentious about this, we have no other practicenor do the churches of
God.
Paul is saying that it is a "DISGRACE TO HIM" and that Paul has "NO OTHER
PRACTICE". That is, he teaches the same thing everywhere he goesWhy Paul would
preach the same thing at a STRYPER concert because he has "NO OTHER PRACTICE
NOR DO THE CHURCHES OF GOD".
Paul is saying that if you, or anyone, wants to say it is ok for you to have
long hair that all the other churches "OF GOD" anyway don't do that, or teach
it. And when Paul points to nature he is trying to drive home the point that
the way God made man and women is that they each have different hair lengths.
He does this because they are slow to catch on to spiritual matters.
As for the "biting" and destroying each other. Since when is pointing out sin
destroying each other. This board seems to thrive on "YES MAN" Christianity
Talk about cultic. If you disagree ...out you This board does not even seem
to practice what it preaches. I suppose you would have rebuke Paul for opposing
Peter,
Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth
of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you
live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force
Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
Notice, he rebuke Peter in Front of them all
Tim
ps Mark, we will have to find another board to discuss this issue. We have been
asked by several not to discuss these "nonrelated" issues. Sorry
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and
admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and
spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
Of course the Word of the Lord should be included in "PSALMS", "HYMNS" AND
"SPIRITUAL SONGS". Kinda musically related.
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Msg: 5836 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 01:53:54
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: THE END
Have you ever thought that maybe Michael Sweet happens
to like his hair long? or maybe it fits with his clothes
(style). Who are you to say that he is wearing his hear
long as a rebellion? Why don't you let him worry about
that? Even if he is, will it make a whole lot of difference
in the end?
Steve
Steve,
I wonder how Paul is receiving your message? After all he wrote this... I
Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man
has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,
Will rebellion against God's Word make a "whole lot of difference in the
end?". You bet your soul it will
Tim
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Msg: 5837 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 02:04:52
From: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS)
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4515 (RELIEF)
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: ALL
Subj: RELIEF I
am soooooooo glad this controversy is finally over. I was really getting
upset by the things the Williams' were saying......that's why you haven't heard
from me for a while. I suppose if I appeared in their 'churchI'd be kicked
out,....my hair is a tad on the long side I suppose, but doesn't that have more
to do with the world and it's styles than God? Has peace finally come to this
board?
Chris |lt;.
Has "peace" finally come to this board ....
Jeremiah 6:1416 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not
serious. `Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace. Are they ashamed of
their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know
how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down
when I punish them," says the LORD. This is what the LORD says: "Stand at the
crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and
walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, `We will not
walk in it.'
Remember, the "Williams'" didn't say anything about hair. It is Paul that said
it.
I Corinthians 11:1416 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a
man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair,
it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants
to be contentious about this, we have no other practicenor do the churches of
God.
Tim
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Msg: 5838 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 02:15:44
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: PAT MULCAHY
Subj: GAMES
Msg: 7957 ROCK ON LINE
07/18/89 09:56:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: RE: CHRISTIAN amp; NONCHRISTIAN TOGETH
Would appreciate some scriptural support for this position.
I'd be happy to, Tim, but I don't play those games. And it does get to be a
game: "my biblical reference is better than yours."
It basically comes down to the fact that some people have a fundamentalist
view of Scripture. I don't. So either we argue our brains out, or we agree
to disagree. Agreeing to disagree doesn't necessarily mean that the other
person is completely wrong, or that the other person is unChristian, or that
the other
person doesn't know Scripture or the Lord.
Pat
Pat,
What "games" are you talking about? If individuals who call themselves
Christians can't discuss scripture what is there left of any real importance?
What does that say about their love for the Word of God?
I Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very
words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides,
so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the
glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
Are we not to "speak the very words of God" to each other? And are we not
instructed to...
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and
admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and
spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
AND ALL THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF TALKING ABOUT MUSIC
And if we "agree" to "disagree" then why can't you discuss scripture without
getting so defensive? I mean, everyone says on this board, only post messages
that AGREE WITH ME and let us agree to disagree, yet refuse to even discuss the
disagreement. Besides is this a scriptural attitude?
I Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no
divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Much grace,
From no games Tim
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Msg: 5973 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 00:42:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5630 (Re: STRYPER)
Hmmmm...we seem to have a bit of a misunderstanding here. I was not being
critical of Stryper as far as I know. What I was commenting on was your
message to Mike Shoupe in which you were apparently trying to compare his
witnessing efforts to Stryper's and implying that his efforts were somehow less
than theirs. Whether Stryper is truly doing the Lord's work is not for me to
sayI don't listen to themand so you would be a betterinformed judge of
such things. All I was saying was that it was not fair to play a "numbers
game" with Mike, i.e., you seemed to be saying "Stryper has led more people to
the Lord than you" as if we were in some sort of competition with each other.
We are not. See what I was saying now?
Dave
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Msg: 5999 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:29:17
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: DEFENSIVE
I see a lot of talk from you today about how others are "being defensive."
However, it seems to me that you are more on the defensive than they
areespecially since certain things have come to light about you and your
small group. Pat is absolutely correct, Tim. All you guys can really do is
"agree to disagree" since you are so convinced that you are right (regardless
of fact or logic) and everyone else is somehow "not fully living the Word" or
whatever it is you guys say around here. Other Christians are no less
convinced. However, it seems to me, as an intersted outsider, that their
exegesis is much better than yours.
ka
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Msg: 6000 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:36:09
From: KEN ACTON
To: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS) (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5835 (HAIR)
TW: "Remember, the 'Williams'' didn't say anything about hair. It is Paul
that said it."
Not from the vantage point of THIS wheelchair Oh, sure, you quoted Paul; but
then you put an arbtrary and PERSONALLY DETERMINED standard on what Paul meant.
When will you answer the questions put to you, Tim, ol' son? Where do you start
the measurement? When is the male hair "long" and when is it "acceptable?"
Are you not, in your own way, conforming to conservative WORLDLY standard? I
believe that you are.
So answer the man's question: If he came into your church, would you throw him
out if his hair was longer than you personally find acceptable? At what point
do you start this measurement. I ask all this as someone who is rapidly losing
his hair.
ka
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Msg: 6001 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:37:34
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5836 (THE END)
Ok, I saw a picture of Michael Sweet yesterday. He's a strange looking person,
I'll grant you thatbut that is by my standard. How is he in rebellion
against God (as opposed rebellion against you)? See my other message on hair.
ka
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Msg: 6002 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:39:47
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5835 (HAIR)
Here we go again. Tim, you are continually supporting the assertions made
against you. In this message we see a lot of sarcasm, drivel, condemnation,
and whiningbut little true facts are borne except the everpresent fact that
you must be right and others wrong.
ka
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Msg: 6003 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:41:06
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5834 (FOR REAL)
I'd rather be a "yes man" to Yeshua than to a mere man who keeps pumping
himself up as omniscient. Hang in there, Tim. You may be right. But I doubt
it...
ka
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Msg: 6004 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:43:01
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5833 (REMIND ME (?))
It seems to me that Diana thanked you for your input before she really got to
know you, Tim.
As for the rest of your message, which included a reference to me: Shucks, Tim,
I hate to see a grown man whine.
ka
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Msg: 6005 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 15:45:02
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5831 (LEAVE IN PEACE (?))
TW: "Sorry that so many are offened at the word of God."
Oh, my. I guess that's everybody here but you, right? Anyone who needs any
more evidence of your claim to special messages from God need look no further.
ka
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Msg: 6007 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 17:59:28
From: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS)
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6000 (HAIR)
Ken,
We are not permitted to discuss these items on RockOnLine. If you wish you
may leave a message locally on our board.
Tim
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Msg: 6008 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 18:09:44
From: RUTHANNE PRINCE
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 5973 (STRYPER)
No, STRYPER IS NOT RIGHT IN what they're doing. Spreading the gospel is not
they're first love. They are more into Money, and becoming a success. The only
reason they use the name of the Lord is because they thought it would get them
farther up the musical charts.
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Msg: 6431 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 20:17:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6008 (Re: STRYPER)
yes, I see. (not that I didn't understand before) I just didn't realise you
weren't the one being critical of Stryper. Sorry, I am too new here to keep
track of everyone's names
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Msg: 6432 ROCK ON LINE
07/31/89 20:32:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6001 (Re: THE END)
Well, honestly I don't think that wearing your hair is rebelling against God.
I was meaning that even if he (Michael Sweet) is rebelling against PEOPLE THAT
DON'T LIKE LONG HAIR he won't be condemned for it.
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Msg: 6440 ROCK ON LINE
08/01/89 02:15:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6431 (Re: STRYPER)
As am I, at least for now. Some of the names, including those from the Sound
Doctrine, are familiar to me; but many are not. I can see where there might
have been confusion.
My wife and I plan on a trip to Beaver Creek this Saturday. Amy Grant is doing
a benefit for the Beaver Creek Chapel and is performing a noontime concert.
Would you like to hear about it when we get back?
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Msg: 6559 ROCK ON LINE
08/01/89 16:08:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6440 (Re: STRYPER)
That usually doesn't work, so if Stryper is using the name of the Lord to gain
financial success, they must be stupid, too, eh?
ka
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Msg: 6560 ROCK ON LINE
08/01/89 16:25:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS) (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6007 (Re: HAIR)
TW: "We are not permitted to discuss these things on RockOnLine."
You're still whining, Tim.
By the way, you have been asked before not to identify yourself as "SYSOP" on
the echos, it causes considerable confusion for other Sysops on the nets.
Putting "sound Doctrine Bbs" does not excuse you from following echo
procedures. There are certain standards expected of Sysops that would
participate in the nets. Failure to follow these standards generally can
result in expulsion from the net. Just a friendly bit of advice from a former
Sysop.
Now, as to your message about how we are not to discuss certain
things...I point out that it was YOU who kept badgering the kids on this echo
on a couple of things (including the hair issue) AFTER you receieved the
message from the moderator. Although you have nicely dodged all of the
relevant questions put to you it was YOU who continued to press irrelevancies
at the users of this echo. Just
because you have reverted to putting "Sysop" in message headers from you does
not mean that you have any more authority here than any other user. In fact, I
see hypocricy here. You would tell me that we can not discuss whatever here
and yet it was YOU who violated this policy with your whimpering messages
yesterday. "Set thine own house in order" before you would propose to dictate
to others.
ka
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Msg: 6561 ROCK ON LINE
08/01/89 16:25:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6559 (Re: STRYPER)
BTW...read I Corinthians 2:11 in your NT.
ka
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Msg: 6583 ROCK ON LINE
08/01/89 21:33:34
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 4410 (Re: STRYPER)
Jon, I guess this will be the last time I will discuss this with you since we
have been asked not to disagree with anyone on this board. This seems to be a
onesided board, but noooo problem. There is plenty of other things to
discuss.
Of course, I have one last thing to add...lt;grin. We are suppose to reflect
the image of Jesus Christ not the image of those of the world. So I do not
believe thta Jesus would be the image of the heavy metal bands. As for as the
antichrrist, if we believe that it is okay to imitate the things of this world
how will we be able to recognise him??? Not to mention the fact that he
disguises himself as an angle of light.
In Him,
CARLA
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Msg: 6624 ROCK ON LINE
08/02/89 04:45:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: MATTHEW 4:10
I see hypocricy here.
It is unfortunate that you see hypocrisy everywhere but its
actual dwelling place.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
Ecclesiastes 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude
of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude
of words.
Ecclesiastes 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let
not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God:
for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore
let thy words be few.
Proverbs 17:14 The beginning of strife is as when one
letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before
it be meddled with.
Proverbs 18:6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and
his mouth calleth for strokes.
Proverbs 22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention
shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with
the well advised is wisdom.
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Msg: 6625 ROCK ON LINE
08/02/89 05:08:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: ALL
Subj: WAKE UP
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one
Lord:
Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with
all thy might.
Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee
this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deuteronomy 6:7 AND THOU SHALT TEACH THEM DILIGENTLY
UNTO THY CHILDREN, AND SHALT TALK OF THEM WHEN THOU
SITTEST IN THINE HOUSE, AND WHEN THOU WALKEST BY THE
WAY, AND WHEN THOU LIEST DOWN, AND WHEN THOU RISEST UP.
Deuteronomy 6:8 AND THOU SHALT BIND THEM FOR A SIGN UPON
THINE HAND, AND THEY SHALL BE AS FRONTLETS BETWEEN THINE
EYES.
Deuteronomy 6:9 AND THOU SHALT WRITE THEM UPON THE POSTS
OF THY HOUSE, AND ON THY GATES.
= Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord lt;=
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Msg: 6690 ROCK ON LINE
08/02/89 17:38:01
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6432 (Re: THE END)
Mithrandir,
Then what does the passage mean?
I Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a
man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,
Tim
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Msg: 6735 ROCK ON LINE
08/02/89 20:09:45
From: Mr. Anonymous
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6432 (Re: THE END)
Well, honestly I don't think that wearing your hair is rebelling against
God. I was meaning that even if he (Michael Sweet) is rebelling against PEOPLE
THAT DON'T LIKE LONG HAIR he won't be condemned for it.
And who is it that doesn't like long hair? Just answer this question ... who
wrote this ...
Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is
a disgrace to him, (I Corinthians 11:14)
Mike
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Msg: 7637 ROCK ON LINE
08/02/89 17:31:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6625 (Re: WAKE UP)
To anyone who cares, Roper is somewhat like the members of the Sound Doctrine,
however they are not on speaking terms for precisely the reasons mentioned
about the SD itself. They both adhere to a view of the world and of
Christianity that is not based on rational or intelligent exegesis; but on the
special revelations that they claim to receive and the neardivine discernment
that they both claim to possess.
(Ok, Ropes, they hath been "awakened.")
ka
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Msg: 7638 ROCK ON LINE
08/02/89 17:37:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6624 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)
GR: "It is unfortunate you see hypocrisy everywhere but its actual dwelling
place."
Well, I didn't bring you up because you haven't been over here.
Oh You were talking about me. Sorry. Well, let's consider what makes one a
hypocrite. Simply put, a "hypocrite" is one who does not practice what he
preaches, so to speak. Now consider that you go around talking about your form
of Christianity, which requires that you bash at people and hurl your own
"clever" quips at them.. Consider also that you paint yourself as very humble;
but you are intolerant of even other Christians who fail to see that what you
are saying is "the Word of God" You claim to possess some sort of discernment
that allows you to understand the Bible better than even those who are better
educated on any subject (INCLUDING the Bible), and yet you tell everyone else
how humble and submissive they should be. There's more, but my point has been
made. I do not go back on what I "preach." Too bad you cannot make the same
claim.
ka
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Msg: 8597 ROCK ON LINE
08/03/89 02:26:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6003 (Re: FOR REAL)
KA I'd rather be a "yes man" to Yeshua...
Ken, this is a remarkable admission coming from you. Would you like to discuss
it further in private?
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08/03/89 20:27:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 7637 (Re: WAKE UP)
To anyone who cares, Roper is somewhat like the
members of the Sound Doctrine, however they are not
on speaking terms for precisely the reasons mentioned
about the SD itself.
Ken, I have a dated message that indicates that I spoke with
Tim Williams just the other day, no big deal, except that
this clearly shows that your above statement is false.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy
neighbour.
What did your message have to do with "Christian" music?
Also, what are the rules and purpose of this echo?
They both adhere to a view of the world and of
Christianity that is not based on rational or
intelligent exegesis; but on the special revelations
that they claim to receive and the neardivine
discernment that they both claim to possess.
The Scriptures indicate that there are a great many fake
"Christians" which only have a form of godliness but
deny the power thereof. The following verse which SD
already quoted indicates that the desciples of Jesus
Christ if they speak are to do so as the oracles of
God. So Ken, what's wrong with that?
1Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the
oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as
of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things
may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise
and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Real Christians don't deny the power and gifts which God
has by His abundant grace given them, so, if you see
real Christians being attacked by others who claim to be
Christians because they speak as the oracles of God then
you know which is which, or do you?
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Msg: 8606 ROCK ON LINE
08/03/89 20:28:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8605 (Re: WAKE UP)
(Ok, Ropes, they hath been "awakened.")
You're too kind Ken. Seeing you are not a Christian, I
have to wonder what kind of light you have used to
awaken these people. How about some real Sonshine
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if
therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be
full of light.
Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body
shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that
is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either
he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he
will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot
serve God and mammon.
What think ye Ken, doth this make sense? Who do you
serve Ken?
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08/03/89 20:30:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 7638 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)
Well, I didn't bring you up because you haven't been over here.
Oh You were talking about me. Sorry.
I've been sorry before myself, however; sorrow that does not lead
to change is worthless don't you think? I can appreciate your
sense of humor Ken, and I am always learning new things but
by the grace of God I have come to the knowledge of the TRUTH
which is the Lord Jesus Christ. Knowledge of itself is so cheap
and often worthless that it can be bought with corruptable money
at a local 711 or various universities. Knowledge of itself is
knowledge "under the sun" and without the Spirit of God it passes
away and there is no remembrance of it, however; knowledge of the
TRUTH is the only path to everlasting life, and few there be
that find it.
Now consider that you go around talking about your
form of Christianity, which requires that you bash
at people and hurl your own "clever" quips at them.
Where did I claim perfection? When did I exalt myself above
the throne of God as you have done, notice your comments:
Jesus was but a man; and you cannot rationally prove
otherwise. Even the Christian idea that Jesus actually
claimed to be God lies on thin intellectual ice. I
freed myself; and I'm doing very well now, thank you.
Consider also that you paint yourself as very humble; but you
are intolerant of even other Christians who fail to see that
what you are saying is "the Word of God"
You will probably get along well with Mr. Anonymous because he
also accuses me of false humility, Why not rather than accuse
me of false humility, set the example of true humility so that
I might learn from your gracious examples? That asking too much?
Why not start by giving me your definition of true humility?
Accusations are easy, examples are a different story aren't they.
Maybe you are an angel Ken, but if I have told people to be
submissive as you state, who am I suggesting they be submissive
to? I have stated several times that I cannot save a grasshopper
and I firmly believe this, how much less a man? God can and does
save, and if He chooses to use me, there is nothing you can do
short of killing me and then God would raise another up in my
place, no problem for Him. If there were no more Godly men
and women left on earth the stones would cry the praises of God
and witness of His majesty
I do not go back on what I "preach."
Too bad you cannot make the same claim.
Yes you must be right, that is too bad, however; let's take just a
brief look at the following quotes from you.
KA By the way, don't quote your New Testament at meI consider
KA it invalid.
KA BTW...read I Corinthians 2:11 in your NT.
Did you find any inconsistency? But Ken what has any of this got to
do with the purpose of this echo? Just curious you know.
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08/03/89 20:49:00
From: PAULA JOHNSON
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: MODERN MANNA JAM SESSION
Hi again I'm not able as yet to do stuff like email or netmail, but I have
just been informed that our venerable sysop has access to copies so for now I
think I will go through him; also I would rather not broadcast my address on a
public message Thanks anyway. Talk to you laterMessianic Metalhead.
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08/03/89 20:54:00
From: PAULA JOHNSON
To: SETH MARTIN
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Well thank you sir I kinda do to. I heard there was a big debate on
Rock/Christian Rock on either Sound Doctrine via here or something like that
and my sysop/assitant sysop were telling me about it and they jokingly said
that there could be a ministry or something like that; it was a long time ago
but I thought, Yeah Coolseiure Messianic Metalhead.
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08/03/89 14:58:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: DAVE HORN
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Yeah, although I am kinda burnt out on Amy Grant, I like hearing about any
Christian concerts....
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08/03/89 14:59:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
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come on, take off, eh? How do you know where their hearts are at? Jeez, do
you know them personally? Talk about judging your fellow man
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08/03/89 16:44:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
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Ok, no problem. The concert is at Beaver Creek. A bit of a drive, but who am
I to turn down free tickets?
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08/03/89 17:21:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8620 (Re: STRYPER)
You guys still whining over that at SD BBS? Nobody said you had to necessarily
agree. It just appeared to me as if the moderator was saying not to be so
obnoxious and try not to dominate the echo with the irrelevancies that YOU
people brought up.
This message shows that you folks do like to try to get the last word,
though.
ka
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08/03/89 17:53:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8606 (Re: WAKE UP)
Yes, I do...better than you, it seems.
Interesting that you and Williams are on speaking terms again. You really
should get back together...you deserve each other.
ka
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08/03/89 17:55:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8635 (Re: WAKE UP)
GR: "What think ye, Ken..."
I just LOVE it when you go into your pseudobiblical mode of writing...it shows
just how disturbed you are, my little laboratory rat.
ka
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08/03/89 17:59:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8607 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)
Nice try; but no, there is no inconsistency. Consider the context of the
message from which you derived your quotes and you will see that you have used
them in a form that you may think makes you appear cleverbut it falls apart
in the fact of logic. The first quote was to you when you tries to preach to
me. The second was to a person who claims the NT as the "word." The point of
the message from which you used the second quote was, "if you believe it you
should live it." That doesn't necessarily mean that I give all of the NT that
much credencewhat it does show is the remarkable hypocricy of people like
you.
ka
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08/04/89 00:23:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8622 (Re: STRYPER)
How did you get free tickets?? Sounds cool. I saw The Beach Boys in beaver
creek... was great environment for a concert, but Beach Boys are getting old
They don't sound nearly as good as they used to....
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08/04/89 02:17:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 9639 (Re: STRYPER)
Amy sent the tickets to a Pastor friend of mine and he gave them to me. My
wife really appreciates Amy's work and so it will be a nice break for her. For
me, it will just be nice to get out of the Denver area for a while. The last
time I got out of town was last summer, when we went up to Mount Evans. But
that doesn't countit was a field trip for my class in Animal Ecology.
Yes, I would say that the Beach Boys are now passody to that song from
"Cocktail" (though I hated the movie). In the sixties and early seventies I
preferred folks like James Taylor, America, and other basically
middleoftheroad groups. When I'm feeling nostalgic, I still do. But my
musical tastes vary widely and I can listen to just about anything depending on
my mood.
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08/04/89 12:47:16
From: Mr. Anonymous
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8616 (Re: STRYPER)
come on, take off, eh? How do you know where their hearts are at? Jeez, do
you know them personally? Talk about judging your fellow man
I Corinthians 5:1113 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with
anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an
idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even
eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not
to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from
among you."
Enough said .... Mike
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08/04/89 22:16:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 8636 (Re: WAKE UP)
Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called
liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
Isaiah 32:6 For the vile person will speak villainy,
and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy,
and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the
soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the
thirsty to fail.
Isaiah 32:7 The instruments also of the churl are evil:
he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with
lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast
not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt
not treacherously with thee when thou shalt cease to
spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make
an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal
treacherously with thee.
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08/04/89 16:53:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 9672 (Re: STRYPER)
The Beach Boys are pass
ka
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08/04/89 18:19:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 10111 (Re: STRYPER)
KA Fie on you, I say...FIE
Heh Heh
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08/05/89 16:51:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6625 (Re: WAKE UP)
Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called
liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
Isaiah 32:6 For the vile person will speak villainy,
and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy,
and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the
soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the
thirsty to fail.
Isaiah 32:7 The instruments also of the churl are evil:
he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with
lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast
not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt
not treacherously with thee when thou shalt cease to
spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make
an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal
treacherously with thee.
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08/05/89 22:28:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 10230 (Re: WAKE UP)
Strange Sojourner,
"Out of the mouths of babes most often comes cereal."
John Wayne never called anybody "pilgrim" except in "The Man Who Shot Liberty
Valence."
For the most part, The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
What has this all to do with anything? Nothing...it is as irrelevant and
nonsensical as your "exegesis."
ka
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08/05/89 23:01:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6008 (Re: STRYPER)
MS: "Enough said."
Then shut up.
ka
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08/06/89 06:18:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 10594 (Re: WAKE UP)
Also, what are the rules and purpose of this echo?
I think that the purpose of this echo is for users to discuss Christian
Music which they happen to like. (But apparently not discuss music which they
dislike.) Who are your favorite Christian groups these days? Get any new
albums lately?
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08/06/89 14:27:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6008 (Re: STRYPER)
Yeah, I can listen to almost any type of music, too. The only music I can't
stand is countrywestern.
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08/06/89 14:30:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: Mr. Anonymous (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 11069 (Re: STRYPER)
Bro, that's not my point You don't know ANYTHING about them If you do,
tell me how, I'd like to meet them too Tell me how you know that they are
sexually immoral or greeedy or any of the above
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08/06/89 14:48:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 11070 (Re: STRYPER)
Somehow I didn't understand this....you say that if we believe that it is okay
to imitate the things of this world how will we be able to recognise him? And
then you say that he will be disguesed as an angel of light. These things are
true and according to the Word. Well, if we "look like" the world and the
antichrist looks like an angel of light, then it should be easy, right?????
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08/06/89 14:52:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: ALL
Subj: MICHAEL W. SMITH
Does anyone have Michael W. Smith's tour schedule?? I am looking forward to
him coming to my area (Denver) soon because someone told me they thought he was
coming this fall.... however I have not seen his concert on any of the scedules
around town.... any help??
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08/06/89 16:01:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6624 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)
I almost forgot: as far as my talking to Sinak, well, shucks, Ropes, where
have you been? However, I do find it interesting that Sinak accuses you of
"false humility" since he is every bit as bad as youand for the same reasons.
No, Sinak and I would not get along any better than you and I would; but it's
easy to see why you and he do notyou're both too much alike.
As for my humility, well, I don't claim any. I'm not really all that
humblebut my theology does not require me to be as yours does. Your
problems, other than your delusions, are your hypocrisy and your own selective
adherence to your theology. You expect others to be humble, and yet you are
one of the most arrogant people that I know"agree with me or go to hell"and
you follow rules or break them as it suits you (such as crossreferencing
between echos). You ask me what the rules of this echo are and you break them.
You read me the riot act on the "Life's Origin" echo and you break those rules,
too, including those that you would have me follow.
Your claim to "true" Christianity is on thin ice.
ka
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08/06/89 16:02:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 6625 (Re: WAKE UP)
GR: "How about some real Sonshine?"
Amazed yourself again, eh?
ka
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08/06/89 16:04:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 11081 (Re: WAKE UP)
Since I believe what I had said to be absolutely true I am not in violation of
Ex. 20:16. I have not seen any of these "dated" messages between you and
Williamscertainly not since Sinak read you the riot act back in April or so.
ka
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08/07/89 04:40:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: MUSIC
GR What are the rules and purpose of this echo?
I think that the purpose of this echo is for users
to discuss Christian Music which they happen to like.
If discussing Christian Music then certainly the subjects
which are discussed in that music will be most welcome, right?
Which from what I have heard has a great deal to do with the
Old and New agreements.
(But apparently not discuss music which they dislike.)
Hmmm... That would appear next to impossible seeing that the
doctrines found in the music of many groups are not always
consistent with the doctrines found in the Word of God, right?
Who are your favorite Christian groups these days? Get
any new albums lately?
I have been listening to "Praise Seven", "Praise Five": (Don't
you know) It's time to praise the Lord, "Scripture in Song" all
by the Maranatha Singers. "Holy, Holy, Holy" by 1986 Silver Bells
Music. Morris Chapman with the Maranatha Singers "Voice of Praise".
"We bring the sacrafice of praise into the House of the Lord"
Also, "Praise Nine", "Psalms Alive 2". These are all vocals, as
for just music with no words, I listen to Tom Howards piano music
and some guitar music by Phil Keaggy.
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08/07/89 04:42:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 11103 (MUSIC)
I have several of Petra's tapes which have been encouraging
and doctrinally refreshing. So far I have not seen any doctrinal
error, however; should they forsake excellent doctrine I will
forsake their new music. It is possible that a person be in the
will of God and achieve the Lords will then fall away, so I see
nothing wrong with listening to those songs which were written
and sung while in the will of the Lord. I would appreciate any
sincere thoughts on this. I'll try an example:
King Solomon built the House of the Lord and latter in His life
fell away and worshipped other gods (which are no gods). So did
people stop offering sacrafices acceptable to God in the House
which Solomon built?
1Kings 6:14 So Solomon built the house, and finished it.
1Kings 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this
thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he
kept not that which the Lord commanded.
1Corinthians 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds
of voices in the world, and none of them is without
signification.
1Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are
zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to
the edifying of the church.
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08/07/89 09:33:19
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 11072 (Re: STRYPER)
Thanks Steve for replying. I am not sure if you werr agreeing with me or not.
There was alot of discussion saying that it was okay for Stryper and anyone
else for that matter to imitate the things of this world. My stance is that if
we do not come out and be seperate as the Word so clearly commands us to we
will not be able to recognise the Anitchrist when he comes. Others were
saying that it was okay to dress and act like the world in the name of Jesus.
My point was that Satan is very sly and he disguises himself as an angel of
light. Let's remember that he quoted scripture to JEsus and that not everyone
that says "LORD, LORD" will enter the kingdom of heaven.
In Him, Carla
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08/07/89 16:58:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG 11569 (Re: STRYPER)
How 'bout Anne Murray? Kenny Rogers?
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08/19/89 01:50:23
From: DAVE GEAUVREAU
To: ALL
Subj: BILL BENNETT AND THE SON BBS
Hello Out There I am trying to contact Bill Bennett who is the Sysop of The
Son BBS in Wisconsin. He is in the process of moving and I have been phoning
both his voice number and his BBS number and all I get is a steady ringing with
no answer. The old numbers were (414)2816497 voice and (414)7715391 BBS,
does anyone have his new number to be or can you leave a message to him for me
to have him phone me at (604)4780254 voice and he can phone collect and have
him ask for Dave Geauvreau and if I am not here have him leave both of his two
numbers so that I can contact him. I have some disks of info for him but do
not want to send it to his old address, which is the only address that I have
for him. Thank you very much to whoever can help me in this situation.
By the way I run The Christian BBS in Victoria, B.C., Canada, BBS:
(604)4782789 and Voice: (604)4780254, and the board deals mostly with cults
and heresy info. We have now 154.4+ megs of hard disk space so if anyone has
studies on cults, heresies, doctrines, issues etc., revolving on the Christian
Faith please feel free to send them to me on disk as it would be cheaper than
uploading them. My mailing address is;
The Christ The Christian BBS C/O Dave Geauvreau 3053 Metchosin Rd. Victoria,
B.C., Canda V9B 4Y9
May the Lord shine His light even more fully apon us, Dave.
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